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Sarah K

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Hey all, 

So I have 2 adult wandering violins, and I am about to ask the same question I asked about ghosts laying oothecas....sorry for the repetition, but I have 3 different types of mantises getting to adulthood at the same time, and I would like to treat them individually and correctly, as each species is very different. I have two female wandering violin adults. I believe it is time for them to start laying ooths. I currently have them together in one of these: 

http://www.mantidkingdom.com/shop/enclosures-and-items/large-caterpillar-castle-13x13x24/

It is really just that, and some branches. What do they lay on? Do they need a stronger more sturdy enclosure to be able to lay on the walls? Will they lay on the branches?

 
Just wanted to follow up on this. Still looking for any advice specific to adult female wandering violins. 

 
Just wanted to follow up on this. Still looking for any advice specific to adult female wandering violins. 
As you are looking for species specific information it could take awhile for anyone that keeps (or kept) them to respond, as there aren't a lot of them. Your best bet is likely to do a search for your species and try to PM some members you find that kept them at some point.

 
Sorry, I am just worried! I am probably being more paranoid than I need to be, but I have not made it past this stage with too many of my female mantises yet....I have also been experiencing several unexplainable adult female deaths recently as well, which is not helping. I have been doing a search through past posts though in the meantime...thanks!

 
UPDATE: On 4/10/16 my female laid her first ooth! Fast forward over a month later, and both my females have been laying me a new ooth every week (practically every Sunday or Monday, like clockwork)! They have been living in the same cage with adult males for most of their adult lives, so I am crossing my fingers that they've been mated! I never have witnessed it, but I have heard from other people who have raised them that they often don't witness mating, but wind up with babies anyhow. People on UK forums say they most often mate at night, so I am crossing my fingers that I will have lots of baby violins soon! As it has been over a month from the date the first ooth was laid, I am starting to get excited!  :D

 
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Congrats! Gongylus do best at high heat and bright lighting. I never witness any of my females mating but they were all fertilized. Gongylus seem to prefer flat surfaces to deposit their oothecae, and one even laid one on my coat years ago! 

 
Great news Sarah congrats! Hopefully soon your be showing some baby photos. :D

 
Great news.. let us know when they start hatching! Pictures please!

 
Congrats! Gongylus do best at high heat and bright lighting. I never witness any of my females mating but they were all fertilized. Gongylus seem to prefer flat surfaces to deposit their oothecae, and one even laid one on my coat years ago! 
Yay! One more confirmation that I may be having babies soon! I can't believe one of them laid on your coat. How crazy!

Great news Sarah congrats! Hopefully soon your be showing some baby photos. :D


Great news.. let us know when they start hatching! Pictures please!
I will post pictures when I have babies! I need to get around to deleting some of my old photos on here first though, as I have pretty much ran out of space. ;)  Thanks everyone for all the encouragement!

 
Wanted to share a funny little tid bit about the behavior I witnessed with my wandering violins last night. In order to tell my story, I do have to give you a backstory of my situation though. ;)  

BACKSTORY:I have 7 wandering violins. Got them all as L2 nymphs, so they were all the same age when I got them. 4 of them molted to adulthood in February and March (two females and two males). One of my guys was the first to molt to adulthood in February, while my girls and the other guy molted mid march. So when my ladies were finally "of age," the poor guy was very ready and determined to mate with the ladies, but the ladies were not quite ready to cooperate! Cuz of this, he got some injuries as he aged from falling off /getting knocked off of the ladies backs! They would literally lift their raptors up in the air, looking as if they were punching the air trying to get him off, and nimble on his front raptors, if it was resting close enough to their mouths that they could reach! So needless to say my poor old guy is missing some of his fingers on his front raptors, and has some injuries to his other legs, which makes it hard for him to climb and get around sometimes, so these days he spends a lot of time on the ground. When they first molted, I kept the females in one cage and the males in another. Meanwhile, my 3 sub adults have their own cage.

Once all 4 of the first batch were adults for at least 2 weeks, I started keeping one female and one male together in each cage instead of separating them by sex. This is because I noticed that once my girls started laying, one of the females would try to knock down/eat the ooth of the other female once she was done laying it! Has anyone else witnessed this bizarre behavior with communal female mantises before? I was not expecting that!

FAST FORWARD TO MONDAY NIGHT: Okay, so now I can finally get to my story! A few weeks back one of my subadult males finally molted to adulthood, almost two months later than the others! I felt like it took forever! So weird! Yesterday marked his two week anniversary of his final molt, and I noticed the female who was in the cage with the old guy was calling! So I decided to put the young stud in with the old guy and the calling lady on Monday night. Tuesday I woke up and she was still calling, she had both the males staring at her and wiggling their antennae towards her but I kind of felt bad for the old guy, because he couldn't get to her anyway. Fast Forward to Tuesday night, I came home from work and saw the young stud hanging out right besides her and staring at right at her!  All of the sudden, he fluffed his wings out (almost looked like a defense pose) and jumped on her back! She really didn't seem to mind this time, and he stayed there throughout the night. This morning, I saw him separated from her and in the opposite corner of the cage. It is interesting to me that since my old guy got injured, this was the first time I have witnessed any mounting. It is also interesting that this particular female is now about 5 or 6 ooths into adulthood. I have heard people on these forums recommend that you re-mate your females after they lay 5 to 6 ooths, so it is funny that she started calling on her own, especially since this is the first time I have ever witnessed her calling in her adult life! I wonder if instinct told her it was time? 

Anyway, I just wanted to share this story, because so far of all the species THAT I have been keeping, these are my oldest, and I believe the most interesting to watch of all my species so far! I have really have been enjoying observing all their adult behaviors as they age. :)

 
Really cool story Sarah.. thanks for sharing... I myself have not had the pleasure of breeding violins as of yet so for your question... I am no help..

 
Female # 2 I believe was re-mated last night as well too!. :D  Thank goodness for the young stud! LOL. I took him out of the cage with the adult females for a few days and kept him with the subadults, then reintroduced him to the other adult female's cage. I have heard this piece of advice from people before in regards to wandering violins, if they don't seem to be "springing into action," let them breath some pheromone-free air for a while, than reintroduce them to the female. This trick worked like a charm! Within the hour of reintroducing him to the adult female's cage, he was on her back. He followed the same pattern as last time, but this time with a different female (stayed there throughout the night, and they were separated this morning).

So if my females weren't mated the first time, ooths should definitely be fertile from here on out......can't wait until they start hatching! :)

 
Well, my last sub-adult Wandering Violin FINALLY molted to adulthood this morning, almost 4 months after the old guy molted to adulthood! Crazy! The female sub-adult molted to adulthood 5/27. She has messed up wings and one damaged leg, but otherwise she seems to be getting around and eating fine!  

The new guy's wings are stretching out nicely so far! :)

 So it looks like the young stud will have competition soon! ;)  Meanwhile, my 2 adult females have laid me 19 ooths total so far! Unbelievable! I am still eagerly awaiting the babies though!

Lastly and unfortunately, I had to put the old guy in the freezer last week, as in addition to not being able to climb up the sides of the enclosure at all, he began refusing to eat, so he seemed like he had lost his will to live, and I couldn't watch him be miserable anymore. :(  

 
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