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Hi. I would never use air travel, and never have as its an unnessessary major contributor to global warming. About time plane travel for the common herd was banned as it probably will be one day soon, when governments stop pandering to the brainless majority. Foreign holidays using air travel are totally unnessessary ego trips, soon over and forgotten, leaving damage done forever, and people who have them should be ashamed. Also against car travel. Most trips of 5 miles or less can easily be done on bike.

Just wondering who else shares my view; or doesn't. :wink:

 
Hmmm, difficult to respond here without being despised by you (as I travel LOTS) or without sounding critical - but i'll try my best...

My family are HUGE travellers - my parents left the country about 22 times last year (I less so because of uni) - but I am 100% for travelling. Who wants to spend their life in the same place?! - If you believe in god, then believe that he made a whole world and it would almost be an insult on him to not explore it and appreciate it.

On the pollution topic- yeah, it's wrong but the world has survived global warmings and ice ages many times over and recovered! - If man dies out due to that, the world will recover.

I for one would prefer to travel to the rainforests of Brazil/ Borneo to find these mantids rather than sit infront of a computer chatting about them or having them brought to me 8)

Tried my best, sorry if I offended anyone :)

 
I'm torn on this one.....obviously I'm not walking to Borneo! I appreciate how much of a devastating impact air travel has on the state of the planet and I'm sure it will come to a point where the low budget airlines, which fly backwards and forwards all day, will be strictly controlled. Actually....I hope that happens soon,

Alan

 
I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I'm not going to try and argue my point as I don't like to debate these kind of topics. I will say that I think you're being a bit ridiculous.

 
If you believe in god, then believe that he made a whole world and it would almost be an insult on him to not explore it and appreciate it.On the pollution topic- yeah, it's wrong but the world has survived global warmings and ice ages many times over and recovered! - If man dies out due to that, the world will recover.
Maybe god would be quite pissed off if we destroyed his precious planet by being greedy and thinking of our own gratification.

Its a moot point though as I don't believe in god. lol

Sure the planet will recover. It may be hard to live on for along time though; not for us of course but will effect 10's of billions of people in the future (theres a lot of future).

 
If God would have really cared about air pollution, man would have been born with wings :D

I just think it's a great world and as the rainforests are being cut down, species are dying out, architecture is getting replaced by the modern junk and all races are gradually being enveloped by america (so culture is dying out) - we should see what we can while it's here.

 
Dont you feel uncomfortable adding significantly to the weight of carbon emmissions just for trivial entertainment? I could understand if it was a life or death situation but no-one ever died from not having a foriegn holiday.

I suppose there just isnt a social stigma about air travel yet that it deserves so people still feel comfortable doing it. but shame on you anyway :wink:

Its one of problems with democracy that sometimes people need to be told what to do rather than waiting for public opinion to change. It will be too late then.

 
Well, adding to emissions is part of commuting... I did a little research (if you want sources, feel free to ask) - and it turns out the average american does ~29 miles per day... multiply this by a year and you get around 10 000

Now, putting that into Kgs of Co2 using this website:

http://www.nef.org.uk/energyadvice/co2calculator.htm

we get about 3.5 tons of CO2 per american per year...

Now lets say that the average american (which is untrue as only around 10-20% have passports) travels twice to england each year - that works out to be 5000 one way = 20000 round trip - this is being very generous!

This works out to be around 6 tons.

HOWEVER!!! People forget that planes are the equivalent of carpools... so 300 people share this load... plus- if we DID take into consideration that only 1/5 people travel- you see that americans in their cars are way more problematic than people in planes...

So if you ask me, america should use bicycles more rather than worry about planes :D

Further proof on the bicyle statement: (sorry :oops: )

http://health.msn.com/reports/obesity/default.aspx?GT1=8307

References:

http://www.nef.org.uk/energyadvice/co2emissionsctry.htm

http://www.nef.org.uk/energyadvice/co2calculator.htm

http://www.ridetowork.org/docs/2005trans_facts.html

 
p.s. sorry for using america- I did so just because they are the world's biggest supernation and a pretty good reference / example for the statements

 
If you believe in god, then believe that he made a whole world and it would almost be an insult on him to not explore it and appreciate it.On the pollution topic- yeah, it's wrong but the world has survived global warmings and ice ages many times over and recovered! - If man dies out due to that, the world will recover.
Maybe god would be quite pissed off if we destroyed his precious planet by being greedy and thinking of our own gratification.

Its a moot point though as I don't believe in god. lol

Sure the planet will recover. It may be hard to live on for along time though; not for us of course but will effect 10's of billions of people in the future (theres a lot of future).
its nots just planes and cars that due damage is a huge mix of everything. id bet that during the ages of using steam engines/coal forenergy we were creating far more pollution - this issue of pollution has been around since the victorian times. also why the heck would you wish to stay in england all ur life?

 
This is quite a pathetic attitude actually. i'm not sure theres any hope lol

I'm not saying cars don't produce more co2 than airplanes, they undoubtedly do, as does other things like producing electricity in power stations. These things, of course do not carry the same weight in terms of necessity.

The point is, which I'm sure you understand really, is that air travel for holiday destinations, (which lets face it is why the general population use aircraft in the uk) is a CONSIDERABLE producer of excess co2 emissions, which is totally unnecessary for peoples actual survival. It is a luxury usage; vanity, which could easily be banned with no real loss of comfort to anybody. I don't actually agree with banning things, but people (even, bizarrely, nature lovers like you!?), left to their own devices won't even do a minor thing like not taking a foreign holiday, even when the writings on the wall.

On the car topic, at least half of car journeys are people 'nipping into town for a few things' i.e., 5 miles or less, which considering a car engine is not efficient when cold , when the mpg is much less than normal temperature, would be best done by bicycle.

If we could do these simple things we could save considerable co2 from going into the atmosphere with no loss of standard of living and greater fitness for everyone, nicer, safer roads for cyclists, and a quiet sky. The savings would also mean we wouldn't need stupid, ugly wind-farms everywhere!

How can anyone argue against that?

 
but you don't need to travel to other countries!

If you had a business meeting, or want to see relatives, use video conferencing, and taking foreign holidays is an obscenely stupid idea with diminishing oil supplies and global warming. Goods (with the possible exception of mantids!) should be transported by sea; so what if they take longer.

 
Sorry, I get sea sick ;)

If, for example, I had a dying relative or a funeral overseas, how would I go abouts taking the trip over? Of course, a hot air balloon IS an option.

 
I think the real questions here are:

Do YOU refrain from using cars etc when they're not necessary?

and more importantly: What chance do you think you have of converting the planet - A few hundred, even a thousand or a million people are not going to make a significant difference if they stopped using cars etc...

Go with the flow man!.. :D

(I'm taking the pessimistic view that if I don't drive, someone else will tomorrow and make up for it!)

- Same thing to all those vegetarians out there! - You're not saving cows by not eating that steak in the shop... Most is thrown away for not being eaten anyway!

 
thats insane the whole idea of life is to fill it with as many wondefull things as possible...going on holiday allows for many a memory to be created. going by boat would ruin hat. imagine 4 days on a boat - you would be causeing more polution and it would be far more expensive...

 
he he you Americans, always have the finger on the pulse of environmental affairs. oh well, we shall have to agree to disagree !

The 'tipping point' will probably not happen in our lifetime anyway. Well probably not in mine, can't say for sure about you youngsters lol

I'm sure your children and of course millions of people living close to sea level will understand your uncontrollable urge to explore the world.

 
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