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Banning air travel will probably deifnitely slow down further Global Warming to a certain extent, but Global temperature has been fluctuating frequently over the course of three million years, with these changes brought about by earth's natural processes such as solar radiation, volcanic eruptions, earth's orbital variation etc, The presence of gases, moisture and particulate matters determines the passage of radiations from the sun when it reaches the earth's surface. Greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, sulphur dioxide and water vapour allow solar radiation to pass reach the earth's surface but they are also particularly good at absorbing reflected outgoing terrestrial infra red radiation, resulting in a greenhouse effect leading to an increase in earth's temperature. This greenhouse effect is essential for our present biodiversity, without it global temperature is said to be 30 oC colder than present temperature.

During the last 160,000 years, the concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere have been fluctuating as low as 180ppmv to 300ppmv for carbon dioxide, whilst concentration of methane varied between 0.3ppmv and 0.7ppmv. Over the last 200 years, the concentration of carbon dioxide increased to over 360ppmv and methane concentration to over 1.7mmpv. The natural sources of carbon dioxide are from terrestrial biosphere and the oceans, whilst fresh water lakes and oceans are the natural sources of natural methane. During the last two hundred years, several industrial revolutions have taken place with the world's population increasing and a greater demand for more energy. This demand has led to a greater consumption of energy; therefore more fossil fuels were burnt in order to meet the increasing demand, increasing the emissions of carbon dioxide. Other factors such as increasing cement production, land use modifications (deforestations) and derived human sources have contributed to the increase carbon dioxide concentration over the past 200 years. The human population has increased dramatically, resulting in more sewage production and the need for more landfill sites. The need for more food has led to an increase in waterlogged rice paddies in particular South East Asia, and pastoral agriculture resulting in a dramatic increase in methane concentration in the atmosphere over such a short period of time.

Other greenhouse gases such as nitrous oxide and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) also contribute to global warming. Nitrous oxide produced from combustion of hydrocarbon fuels, ammonia based fertilisers, deforestation and biomass burning absorbs the infrared radiation. The concentration of nitrous oxide has increased from 275ppbv in the pre industrial time to 311ppbv in 1992. CFCs, even though there is only a small trace of it in the atmosphere in comparison to the other greenhouse gases, it is a very strong greenhouse gas even in small amount. The emission of CFCs increased very rapidly in the recent decade due to refrigerants, foam making, fire control agents and propellants in aerosol cans. CFCs have also caused ozone depletion contributing to the greenhouse effect.

So if you are against air travel, you ought to be against eating agricultural products if you are so concern about global warming as methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. your existance is harming the environment as you are putting pressure on farmers to produce enough food to feed you. You sitting there, typing away and browsing this forum is unneccesary selfish "trivial entertainment" by using the electricity produced from emitting tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. There is only so much you can do for the environment right now, and slowly down the rates of deforestation and encouraging afforestation is probably our priority. Because what ever you do in this modern technoological age, you are harming the environment.

This is somewhat off topic but the United Kingdom is a developed country with quite a strong economy with low rates of poverty and people suffering from diseases and hunger, it is very hard to persuade a person from a less economically developed country to not use cars, airplanes and cutting down the forest for agriculture or selling them as hardwood. Try persuading them to be extremely eco friendly by not harming the environment at all, and to give this up for their livelihood and family. They will most likely give you the finger. It is VERY VERY hard to "prevent" global warming, as the majority of the world's population still live in "undeveloped" countries.

"I don't actually agree with banning things, but people (even, bizarrely, nature lovers like you!?), left to their own devices won't even do a minor thing like not taking a foreign holiday, even when the writings on the wall." To be honest, you cant enjoy nature in the comfort of your sofa or living room. There is only so much "nature" you can experience in UK (and in my opinion, i will probably kill myself if i had to stay in this country for my entire life). Surely by actually seeing "nature" in person yourselve in another country, you will appreciate and respect mother earth far more than staying in your own country and being completely ignorant to what is going on globally.

"About time plane travel for the common herd was banned as it probably will be one day soon, when governments stop pandering to the brainless majority"

By not travelling you are being the brainless minority being "pandered" by the media, as you will remain ignorant for the rest of your life. Sometimes you've got to see or experience some things in person to fully appreciate it.

"If you had a business meeting, or want to see relatives, use video conferencing"

I presume you dont have close relatives abroad. Many apologies if i am wrong.

I hope you dont take this too personally, i appreciate your notion behind saving the environment (and somewhat respect you if you practise what you preach), but it is rather ignorant.

Best regards

Chun

 
only read the opening post and dont intend to read the others

I have never been on a plane but i intend to many times in the future

yeah sure on my holid.... erm "ego trip"

 
Banning air travel will probably definitely slow down further Global Warming to a certain extent
thanks chun, a thoughtful post, you raise some important points which of course i am familiar. I agree with what your saying. Like you I wasn't saying its the total solution but if we can't get rid of this one very damaging and yet fairly trivial thing then theres no chance of putting right other problems like agriculture that are more fundamental to peoples lives. Its one thing that can be changed. Its all about making people realize its their personal lifestyle/ their mindset thats got to alter, and fast. You mention the third world, well theres no chance they are going to listen to us about sustainability if they see us carry on like we do.

And you mention my lifestyle. Ive taken the most important step for the sake of everyone and the future. The root cause for all our problems. That is of course not producing any more 'units of consumption', i.e. the decision not to breed another human being! A population halved would certainly address most human problems. I also dont drive and I live as frugally as possible; basically an ascetic lifestyle. Apart for killing myself I can't think of what else I could do myself in the current economic setup. I think I can safely say my conscience is clear and I have earned the right to criticize others for their conspicuous consumption.

I believe a personal carbon tax or allowance is in order, which will make people quickly realise how much carbon that conveinient trip to spain uses in relative comparison with everything else they do in their day to day lives. If they do choose to fly they would have to take carbon useage cuts elsewhere.

I also believe introduction in car mileage tax that could pay for 'bicycle miles', say a 30 pence per mile cycled or something, for local journeys anyway. This would get peoples lazy ***** out of their metal coffins.lol

one last thing, I dont agree you have an absolute right or need to visit foreign relatives any more than I do. ever heard of the phone! lol Sorry for being flippant, but a metaphorical banging of heads together is needed about now lol

 
i'm totally with nympho on this one.

air travel is a bad polluter yeah, but to put it in perspective these computers we're using now use a lot of electricity and that electricity often comes from fossil fuels. almost anything we do somehow contributes to the problem. some people not taking flights isnt going to do much for the situation, but yeah i guess it helps,

though really it's going to take much more drastic changes.

i'm looking forward to seeing that al gore film about global warming ( although i feel it will be political propoganda). i'm confused as to whether i should worry about such things or if it's part of governments hope and fear routine. but of course i'm glad people are bringing this up and hopefully we can slow the damage down.

i studied global warming for a bit at open university. sonething i think i can add to this is something called the anthropic principle if you use it regarding this situation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

i realised the other day that just because life has been evolving upto this point on this planet for almost 4 billion years doesnt make it unlikely that we're going to destroy it all soon ( even though it seems unlikely that it would because of the time scale and the events that have led upto this point).

the damage that we're causing to the Earth isnt like anything that's happened in the history of intelligent life here. things are kind of spiralling out of control because of corporations that we just mindlessly pay for our conveniences, when all they care about is money and will act like psychopaths to get more of it.

this planet will end up like venus if it tips the scale with the wrong type of gases or too extreme a temperature. all manner of things could mess this world up, we have to be careful.

i think there's only one important thing for us as humans to do and that's look after our planet, or all of our efforts will be in vain.

drastic changes need to be made in the way the world is going, i just hope we can do it in time.

i also better add that for the first time in about ten years i'll be using a plane this year, and i do feel bad for doing it

 
blah blah. This one is done.

 
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