Mantis hybrid
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OGIGA
Dead Leaf Mantis
Rick has with other species. If the ootheca hatches, you'll probably get a new sterile hybrid species.
No I haven't yet. I crossed S. Limbata with S. Carolina. I am waiting on the ooth to hatch.
Hollar at me when it does, I gotta see this 
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It might work! Some ants here in NM are known to hybridize readily in the wild. Pogonomyrmex rugosus and P. barbatus produce viable hybrids! But then again, both species produce quite a few male/female "hybrids" as well.
I know that most hybrid matings will not produce viable oothecas. For instance I have mated a s. lineola with a chinese but I knew beforehand it would not be fertile. I don't know why this would not work. Both are stagmomantis. For the most part they're the same.
The viability largely depends on having complimentary genetic components. Chromosome count is key. Something with 20 chromosomes might produce anything viable when mated to a species with 24. That is why for animals it is best to start by making hybrids within the same genus. For example, you can cross a lion with a tiger because their genes match up and they both happen to be in the same genus. It takes several tries to produce a viable hybrid. The result may or may not be fertile. Needless to sayit takes some considerable trial and effort to produce a robust and fertile hybrid.
I'm not sure how much is known about mantis genetics, but it seems that many available genera are monotypic. When multiple species occur they often resemble each other so much one might question if they all deserve to be considered separate species. They could be varieties or subspecies. Even so, some mantids come in different color forms and part of this is genetics in addition to other factors. You might be able to "fix" a certain color variety or at least produce ones that are more likely to be a certain color. You want bigger mantis, breed the largest male and female. Sure environment plays a role, but genes make it happen. How do you think they got flightless fruit flies?
I'm not sure how much is known about mantis genetics, but it seems that many available genera are monotypic. When multiple species occur they often resemble each other so much one might question if they all deserve to be considered separate species. They could be varieties or subspecies. Even so, some mantids come in different color forms and part of this is genetics in addition to other factors. You might be able to "fix" a certain color variety or at least produce ones that are more likely to be a certain color. You want bigger mantis, breed the largest male and female. Sure environment plays a role, but genes make it happen. How do you think they got flightless fruit flies?
Ben.M
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Sure Ben, as if it is not confusing enough for identification, right Morpheus?
Ben.M
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:lol: Well it gives u a challenge then
asdsdf
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I knew it!!! They were chastising me.....They said why would I want to alter mother nature? (Hey, what are dogs??? :angry: )
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Rob Byatt
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Dogs are all the same species; that is not crossbreeding. They would not produce viable offspring if they were different species, that is the whole definition of a 'species'.
True, domestic dogs are all the same species. Wolves are a different species though. But we do cross dogs with timber wolves to produce "wolf hybrids". These hybrids are viable and can mate and reproduce with members of either species.
As Rick mentioned, we may need to re-evaluate the defintion of species. Some very closely related "species" may only be geographic variations of the same thing.
As Rick mentioned, we may need to re-evaluate the defintion of species. Some very closely related "species" may only be geographic variations of the same thing.
Morpheus uk
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Uhhhh! :wacko:Sure Ben, as if it is not confusing enough for identification, right Morpheus?
OGIGA
Dead Leaf Mantis
Oh yeah, that's true. Taxonomy has big problems too... everything keeps getting revised endlessly.
Hey Rick,
I just got a copy of a paper where someone tried the cross that you have done. They did get nymphs, but they had to incubate the ooths for an average of 175 days!!!
I just got a copy of a paper where someone tried the cross that you have done. They did get nymphs, but they had to incubate the ooths for an average of 175 days!!!
Wow!! that sounds like waiting for a phasmid ova to hatch. Takes a lot of patience man....
I have Carolina ooth that took a year to hatch because i didn't overwinter it.
I have Carolina ooth that took a year to hatch because i didn't overwinter it.
