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Steve listen close, you need to loosen up, and put your shirt back on, we are all friends here and you are on the outside looking in now ... thanks man now I've got buds feeling homophobic, your a real class act man!

Grow up! This is the real world and bad guy's ARE around every corner!!! Part of life for 100,000+ years...

 
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there is a multitude of bad guys but i PERSONALLY feel Obama is not one of them.

 
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Please stop the arguing

It isn't very nice to start a discussion topic and then when somebody gives their input you blast them with insults for no good reason

Gripen is old enough to be aware of world issues and though he is no expert on the topic, im not sure how many others here are, I'm not, and we certainly aren't acting like it

When I was his age I learned on school many of the issues presented here and im pretty sure he watches the news to learn more

This is a family website meant for people of all ages to appropriately discuss what is on their mind, so we all deserve a fair chance to speak
Everyone seemed to be having so much fun, Young Alex, that I really did not plan on adding to it, but you and I go way back, and as you know, I am, indeed an expert on just about any topic worthy of consideration or comment, so let me fill you in.

It is not just a question of Stevie being right, he is far to recitent in declaring the solution to the problem. Let us, for the sake of argument, assume that the number of these federal; concentration camps reaches 4,000; it will make our math easier.

I have mentioned that my son David is an ICE agent. I have not mentioned that his elder brother is a CO with the FBP working out of Chicago. Now that is an administrative unit designed to hold only about 350 inmates, though it currently holds 400+. The "normal" FBP facility, like that at Marion, IL, was built to hold 1,500 inmates, though again, notoriously, the number of (rightfully) convicted federal criminals has led to numbers in excess of that. The population of a federal concentation camp can greatly exceed that ( c.f. the populations of Japanese internment camps: Michi Nishiura, Years of Infamy) and could, today, easily house 2,000, so the 4,000 camps can be expected to hold 8,000,000.

Now, as you probably know, the entire prison population of the US in 2009 was only about 2,300,000, so even under the provisions of 287G (the jargon name for the apropriate section of Immigration Law that allows state and municipal LE officers to assist in federal programs; I don't know if it has a fancier, official title) the feds are going to have to work pretty hard to fill all of those births. That doesn't mean that they aren't trying. My ICE son, when he does his quarterly handgun qualification, is, now, not only scored on accuracy but speed. One has to wonder whether that doesn't mean that agents will be expected, at some time in the furure, to shoot "suspects" before they have time to declare that they are honest US citizens instead of shiftless Mexicans.

So yes, accusing Stevie of being an ignorant moron, even if such a charge were true, does not alter the threat of this plan: cost.

I had Christmas dinner with a couple of IEA guys whose job is to fly criminal illegal aliens all over the world for repatriation to and incarcerate in their own counties. Do you have any idea how much that takes out of our taxes per year, Alex? And those 8,000,000 internees will have to be housed, fed, and treaded for the disgusting diseases to which such people are prone. 8,000,000 is hard to imagine, for me at least, but it is over three times the population of Chicago! And we have to pay for their board and keep! No, if I understand Stevie's message correctly, it is "do away with the concentration camps, dig some large pits, and find a simple and permanent solution to those who choose to threaten our American way of Life". At 96, I am sure that he remembers that this simple solution has been successfully applied before.

 
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Everyone seemed to be having so much fun, Young Alex, that I really did not plan on adding to it, but you and I go way back, and as you know, I am, indeed an expert on just about any topic worthy of consideration or comment, so let me fill you in.

It is not just a question of Stevie being right, he is far to recitent in declaring the solution to the problem. Let us, for the sake of argument, assume that the number of these federal; concentration camps reaches 4,000; it will make our math easier.

I have mentioned that my son David is an ICE agent. I have not mentioned that his elder brother is a CO with the FBP working out of Chicago. Now that is an administrative unit designed to hold only about 350 inmates, though it currently holds 400+. The "normal" FBP facility, like that at Marion, IL, was built to hold 1,500 inmates, though again, notoriously, the number of (rightfully) convicted federal criminals has led to numbers in excess of that. The population of a federal concentation camp can greatly exceed that ( c.f. the populations of Japanese internment camps: Michi Nishiura, Years of Infamy) and could, today, easily house 2,000, so the 4,000 camps can be expected to hold 8,000,000.

Now, as you probably know, the entire prison population of the US in 2009 was only about 2,300,000, so even under the provisions of 287G (the jargon name for the apropriate section of Immigration Law that allows state and municipal LE officers to assist in federal programs; I don't know if it has a fancier, official title) the feds are going to have to work pretty hard to fill all of those births. That doesn't mean that they aren't trying. My ICE son, when he does his quarterly handgun qualification, is, now, not only scored on accuracy but speed. One has to wonder whether that doesn't mean that agents will be expected, at some time in the furure, to shoot "suspects" before they have time to declare that they are honest US citizens instead of shiftless Mexicans.

So yes, accusing Stevie of being an ignorant moron, even if such a charge were true, does not alter the threat of this plan: cost.

I had Christmas dinner with a couple of IEA guys whose job is to fly criminal illegal aliens all over the world for repatriation to and incarcerate in their own counties. Do you have any idea how much that takes out of our taxes per year, Alex? And those 8,000,000 internees will have to be housed, fed, and treaded for the disgusting diseases to which such people are prone. 8,000,000 is hard to imagine, for me at least, but it is over three times the population of Chicago! And we have to pay for their board and keep! No, if I understand Stevie's message correctly, it is "do away with the concentration camps, dig some large pits, and find a simple and permanent solution to those who choose to threaten our American way of Life". At 96, I am sure that he remembers that this simple solution has been successfully applied before.
thank you for posting this Phil. it is not my view exactly but probably the most practical of anything i have heard thus far in my research. i do bow to you as a real and wise elder :clap:
 
Everyone seemed to be having so much fun, Young Alex, that I really did not plan on adding to it, but you and I go way back, and as you know, I am, indeed an expert on just about any topic worthy of consideration or comment, so let me fill you in.

It is not just a question of Stevie being right, he is far to recitent in declaring the solution to the problem. Let us, for the sake of argument, assume that the number of these federal; concentration camps reaches 4,000; it will make our math easier.

I have mentioned that my son David is an ICE agent. I have not mentioned that his elder brother is a CO with the FBP working out of Chicago. Now that is an administrative unit designed to hold only about 350 inmates, though it currently holds 400+. The "normal" FBP facility, like that at Marion, IL, was built to hold 1,500 inmates, though again, notoriously, the number of (rightfully) convicted federal criminals has led to numbers in excess of that. The population of a federal concentation camp can greatly exceed that ( c.f. the populations of Japanese internment camps: Michi Nishiura, Years of Infamy) and could, today, easily house 2,000, so the 4,000 camps can be expected to hold 8,000,000.

Now, as you probably know, the entire prison population of the US in 2009 was only about 2,300,000, so even under the provisions of 287G (the jargon name for the apropriate section of Immigration Law that allows state and municipal LE officers to assist in federal programs; I don't know if it has a fancier, official title) the feds are going to have to work pretty hard to fill all of those births. That doesn't mean that they aren't trying. My ICE son, when he does his quarterly handgun qualification, is, now, not only scored on accuracy but speed. One has to wonder whether that doesn't mean that agents will be expected, at some time in the furure, to shoot "suspects" before they have time to declare that they are honest US citizens instead of shiftless Mexicans.

So yes, accusing Stevie of being an ignorant moron, even if such a charge were true, does not alter the threat of this plan: cost.

I had Christmas dinner with a couple of IEA guys whose job is to fly criminal illegal aliens all over the world for repatriation to and incarcerate in their own counties. Do you have any idea how much that takes out of our taxes per year, Alex? And those 8,000,000 internees will have to be housed, fed, and treaded for the disgusting diseases to which such people are prone. 8,000,000 is hard to imagine, for me at least, but it is over three times the population of Chicago! And we have to pay for their board and keep! No, if I understand Stevie's message correctly, it is "do away with the concentration camps, dig some large pits, and find a simple and permanent solution to those who choose to threaten our American way of Life". At 96, I am sure that he remembers that this simple solution has been successfully applied before.
Hahah yeah and they tell your son EVERYTHING don't they just cause he's an "ICE Agent" Wow. So Genocide isn't an option? I thought it was a FEMA camp not a jail! So what does REX84 purpose exactly? PSSSH...

 
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Dangerous topic, didn't wanna have to go here, but here is the last video I'm going to post and then take off tomorrow because this is playing with fire. Again, be the judge for yourself. These guys are the masterminds behind PSN earlier this year, remember?

Anonymous

 
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I've seen some ups and downs in this thread and a few mentions of people breaking the rules and being aware of it. We all get frustrated, sure. But at the end of the day, whose problem is it? Mine.

The language and the personal attacks have to stop or I'll have to close the thread down and issue warning points. StevieHification's cursing tirade was just too much. I only issued a single warn point and made a small effort to clean this thread up, but I really don't have the patience for this right now. Good members are often baited into this garbage. I feel like a bartender sometimes. Just take it outside and let the rest of us enjoy what we came here for. I'm not familiar with Steviehification, so this is a less than pleasant introduction. I'm curious what this whole conversation is about, but who's going to walk up to the new guy spitting profanity and bigotry and extend a hand? I'll pass for now. I'm more inclined to cut my losses before we get a chance to know him. Clean it up or walk. Like you said, StevieHification, this is a family forum. I had a dad email me earlier on behalf of his kid. Nuff said.

 
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Sorry for the harsh words to those who can't fight a battle on their own. Freedom of speech. "Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". who here forgot about the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution? Enough said...

 
I didn't bother reading the banter, but NDAA and REX-84 are absolutely real and absolutely unconstitutional. Existence of the camps has been well documented and FEMA has recently been advertising for internment specialists, etc. Just because the mainstream media don't warn you doesn't mean it isn't real.

From CNN 2002:

Why Ashcroft's plan to create internment camps for alleged enemy combatants is wrong

http://archives.cnn....stry.detainees/

Village Voice 2002:

General Ashcroft's Detention Camps

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"Attorney General John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be 'enemy combatants' has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace." Actually, ever since General Ashcroft pushed the U.S. Patriot Act through an overwhelmingly supine Congress soon after September 11, he has subverted more elements of the Bill of Rights than any attorney general in American history.

...

http://www.villagevo...ention-camps/1/

We have since seen America citizens hunted down and killed with no trial or even charges pressed. Just suspicion of association. And that's under Obama - the guy with the Nobel Peace Prize. Thus ends the rule of law. The Constitution guarantees due process and bans the use of the military against our own people. Militarization of the police was the first step in crossing that boundary and NDAA is the last nail in the coffin.

NDAA is essentially Martial Law. It brings the homeland into the definition of war front, in a war against "terror" rather than a real enemy, I might add. Incidentally, it makes every single one of us potential "enemy combatants" - their catch-all label for anyone they don't like.

Washington Examiner 2011:

If America is the battleground, nobody has any rights

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It could have been even worse. An earlier version of the bill would, according to one of its cosponsors, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., have allowed the president to use the U.S. military to seize American citizens on the home front and ship them to Guantanamo.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., cheered the provision, because it would "basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield." He added that "I believe our military should be deeply involved in fighting these guys at home."

James Madison, the father of the Bill of Rights, was somewhat less giddy about the prospect of militarizing the home front. "A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty," he warned at the Constitutional Convention, "the means of defense against foreign danger have always been the instruments of tyranny at home."

...


http://washingtonexa...-rights/2017601

What will bring you under suspicion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD1T61oTrR8

I realize most people are not up on these things. Consider this fair warning. Ignorance will not protect you from the bad guys. And the bad guys are not the guys in turbans. They're the people working to take away your freedom by changing government.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Thomas Jefferson

 
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Sorry for the harsh words to those who can't fight a battle on their own. Freedom of speech. "Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". who here forgot about the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution? Enough said...
You walk into my house and talk to my family the way you're talking to members on here and I don't care if you're right or your wrong or what the issue is, Stevie. You're taking the wrong approach. When you're a guest in my house and I don't know you, you can take your Freedom of Speech and shove it. Point of fact: certain words and behaviors are banned in schools, workplaces, in the media, etc. It's called respect and it applies here.

 
You walk into my house and talk to my family the way you're talking to members on here and I don't care if you're right or your wrong or what the issue is, Stevie. You're taking the wrong approach. When you're a guest in my house and I don't know you, you can take your Freedom of Speech and shove it. Point of fact: certain words and behaviors are banned in schools, workplaces, in the media, etc. It's called respect and it applies here.
I'm sorry Peter I meant no disrespect to you, but those other guys? I'm not going to sit around and be pushed around by 3 or 4 guys, I'm going to stand up for myself. Doesn't matter if it's online or not. You want to talk about bad words on this thread, you need to go on Youtube and see things as they really are. You wouldn't believe the stuff my 10yr nephew gets his eyes on... Again I apologize to you, but to those other three enough has been said.

 
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I'm sorry Peter I meant no disrespect to you, but those other guys? I'm not going to sit around and be pushed around by 3 or 4 guys, I'm going to stand up for myself. Doesn't matter if it's online or not. You want to talk about bad words on this thread, you need to go on Youtube and see things as they really are. You wouldn't believe the stuff my 10yr nephew gets his eyes on... Again I apologize to you, but to those other three enough has been said.
I can and do appreciate your post, here. I've been to Youtube and worse places. I've got three kids.

And don't forget to use the "Report" button if you feel you are being mistreated by somebody on here.

I will stop sharing my thoughts on current news.
This is the other discussions area, so it is fine to discuss other things here. I'm not asking you to stop discussing the issue at all. I'm just drawing a line in the sand. You're not the only member here with warning points, so don't think you're too special to share your thoughts on current news. I work in a warehouse where every third word is profane, but there is a big difference between saying f' in polite conversation vs. f' you in the middle of a heated argument.

 
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I can and do appreciate your post, here. I've been to Youtube and worse places. I've got three kids.

And don't forget to use the "Report" button if you feel you are being mistreated by somebody on here.

This is the other discussions area, so it is fine to discuss other things here. I'm not asking you to stop discussing the issue at all. I'm just drawing a line in the sand. You're not the only member here with warning points, so don't think you're too special to share your thoughts on current news. I work in a warehouse where every third word is profane, but there is a big difference between saying f' in polite conversation vs. f' you in the middle of a heated argument.
No I insist, me posting these subjects makes no sense anyways as everyone seems to be caught up and knows what's going on in this world.

 

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