DNA- gods amazing programming

[gripen]

the idea to pick things apart and create hierarchy are all masculine qualities thats nonsence to say an induviual is one or the other. all western civilization is primarily masculine views and its because of our history we inherent these things it up to yourself to question these things

Seems like you have all the answers. Should I then question you?

 

[Mime454]

the idea to pick things apart and create hierarchy are all masculine qualities thats nonsence to say an induviual is one or the other. all western civilization is primarily masculine views and its because of our history we inherent these things it up to yourself to question these things

Picking things apart is masculine? That's the foundation of all human knowledge. You do females a far greater disservice by saying such demeaning things than the one you imagine has been perpetrated by science.

 

[Paradoxica]

This doesn't prove anything. This is a pseudo-scientist's feeble attempt to repackage what is already know as a valid argument against creationism, add a few words like designer or maker and try to pass it off as as a counter to evolution.

Edit: I'm talking about the video, I have no idea what this gender talk is about.

 

[AxolotlsAreCoolToo]

Seems like you have all the answers. Should I then question you?

thats what you all been doing

have you learned anything new? :stuart:

my favorite thing do is to empower myself and everyone around me and i find the more i learn the easier it is

 

[AxolotlsAreCoolToo]

Picking things apart is masculine? That's the foundation of all human knowledge. You do females a far greater disservice by saying such demeaning things than the one you imagine has been perpetrated by science.

i dont think thats the founation of our knowledge. the greatest understanding will come in a perspective of unity and wholness and that is a extremely feminine quality to have

 

[AxolotlsAreCoolToo]

http://youtu.be/9EPlyiW-xGI

havnt watch this video to much but i think is has some cutting edge speculation on how we can under stand natural phenomenon

 

[Montana]

http://youtu.be/CBeCxKzYiIA

The discovery of DNA and it's marvelous blueprint of programming to build God's creatures is one of the many proofs that God does indeed exist. It is an insult to our intelligence for a propaganda essayist (claiming to be a scientist) to actually claim DNA was a proof for evolution, no one could possibly be that dumb, as the Bible says - decieved.

Bro,

I understand that you have a great appreciation for the amazing structures of nature, and that's cool. I think we all do, here on this forum, because we all enjoy mantids.

But it's not very prudent to start an argument by saying something is proof for supernatural forces and completely denying and even insulting (by claiming evolutionist views are an "insult to intelligence") many of the members of this forum. I know there are a few here that may share your spiritual viewpoint, but there are also those who do not. Why create a mudslinging match?

Moreover, if you state a controversial thesis, be prepared to defend it with real evidence - not using evasion or prompting others to think things over for themselves - surely we are all very good, reflective thinkers already, and have given thought and effort into locating evidence to convince us of our personal viewpoints. Give us some real evidence, don't change the subject (like the meaning of masculinity and other silly semantics topics).

Also... while DNA is a complicated and beautiful structure that supports life, it is also prone to defects - defects that create genetic disorders, diseases, and misfortune for some people and animals. If you want to attribute the beauty of DNA to supernatural forces, you also have to attribute the ugly, cruel, and/or unfortunate defects that it can create... and whether you are spiritual or not, is that cruelty really something you want to think of as a part of "intelligent design"?

I invite you to present some evidence that shows DNA is a product of supernatural design - and then we can stop the mudslinging, sidetracking, and evasion and get down to a real discussion. You present evidence, others present counter-evidence, and so on. That's how we create thoughtful, meaningful debates. What you're doing now (though you probably didn't intend it) seems more like trolling than anything!

-Montana

 

[Mime454]

i dont think thats the founation of our knowledge. the greatest understanding will come in a perspective of unity and wholness and that is a extremely feminine quality to have

1. I don't know how your deciding which qualities are feminine and masculine. Any sensible person should find it offensive to associate some ideas with men and some with women. That is what the words masculine and feminine mean, denoting male and female qualities.

2. You cannot learn how something works without picking it apart. If you could, you'd be rich, as you'd be able to reproduce anything ever made as long as you'd have the right materials. Every advanced invention is a culmination of several parts from different studies; ie people who picked apart and discerned how a facet of the world worked.

 

[Mime454]

Very well said, Montana.

 

[Mime454]

http://youtu.be/9EPlyiW-xGI

havnt watch this video to much but i think is has some cutting edge speculation on how we can under stand natural phenomenon

I'm not going to devote an hour of my life that could be spent learning actual science to a video that the uploader acknowledges is so unsupported by evidence that discussion and ratings can't be allowed.

 

[gripen]

Cutting edge speculation :clown: AKA we made this up?

Thanks Montana your clarity of thinking has done what I never could have.

 

[aNisip]

I care about how rigorously tested and replicable an idea, or the calculations behind it.

You can't test/reproduce the Christianity belief of Creation, nor can you reproduce/test evolution...evolution is a theory, taken on faith. So is Christianity, we put our faith into this belief. (that's why it is called faith. religions are sometimes called faith, like what is your faith instead of religion)

....Ax, dont come at it from the wrong approach, by the things you are saying, are you a Christian, or just believe that there is a Creator?

 

[gripen]

You can't test/reproduce the Christianity belief of Creation, nor can you reproduce/test evolution...evolution is a theory, taken on faith. So is Christianity, we put our faith into this belief. (that's why it is called faith. religions are sometimes called faith, like what is your faith instead of religion)

....Ax, dont come at it from the wrong approach, by the things you are saying, are you a Christian, or just believe that there is a Creator?

What of micro evolution? Haven't we proven that.

Don't get me wrong I have no "gripe" with Christianity I just want to make a clear distinction between it and science.

 

[AxolotlsAreCoolToo]

Bro,

I understand that you have a great appreciation for the amazing structures of nature, and that's cool. I think we all do, here on this forum, because we all enjoy mantids.

But it's not very prudent to start an argument by saying something is proof for supernatural forces and completely denying and even insulting (by claiming evolutionist views are an "insult to intelligence") many of the members of this forum. I know there are a few here that may share your spiritual viewpoint, but there are also those who do not. Why create a mudslinging match?

Moreover, if you state a controversial thesis, be prepared to defend it with real evidence - not using evasion or prompting others to think things over for themselves - surely we are all very good, reflective thinkers already, and have given thought and effort into locating evidence to convince us of our personal viewpoints. Give us some real evidence, don't change the subject (like the meaning of masculinity and other silly semantics topics).

Also... while DNA is a complicated and beautiful structure that supports life, it is also prone to defects - defects that create genetic disorders, diseases, and misfortune for some people and animals. If you want to attribute the beauty of DNA to supernatural forces, you also have to attribute the ugly, cruel, and/or unfortunate defects that it can create... and whether you are spiritual or not, is that cruelty really something you want to think of as a part of "intelligent design"?

I invite you to present some evidence that shows DNA is a product of supernatural design - and then we can stop the mudslinging, sidetracking, and evasion and get down to a real discussion. You present evidence, others present counter-evidence, and so on. That's how we create thoughtful, meaningful debates. What you're doing now (though you probably didn't intend it) seems more like trolling than anything!

-Montana

like i said i only wish to empower my self and everyone i associate with and that is defiantly the opposite of a troll. an i truly do appreciate every one that included their opinions because all of you do expand my knowledge to greater horizons. i dont know how strongly you will take this but i believe if its possible for me to have a idea and manifest into my own personal life i believe it is possible a higher entity can manifest somthing as DNA. theres no reason any of you should be upset we are here to question and learn no matter where that takes us. if you guys really are upset ill ask an administrator to take these to threads down i just wanted to share information i thought was interesting who cares if there claim are correct incorrect or scientific or not every ones opinon matters

 

[Mime454]

You can't test/reproduce the Christianity belief of Creation, nor can you reproduce/test evolution...evolution is a theory, taken on faith. So is Christianity, we put our faith into this belief. (that's why it is called faith. religions are sometimes called faith, like what is your faith instead of religion)

....Ax, dont come at it from the wrong approach, by the things you are saying, are you a Christian, or just believe that there is a Creator?

I don't think that you know what the word theory means in this circumstance.

1.

a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.

Creationism can predict nothing, it is the supposition that natural causes cannot be used to explain or predict life at all. Just off hand, evolution has predicted, and later verified:1. The *** ratio of reproductive individuals in haplodiploid insects like ants and bees.

2. That early humans originated in Africa

3. The presence of eusocial rodents, later found in the form of naked mole rats.

I could probably google more.

like i said i only wish to empower my self and everyone i associate with and that is defiantly the opposite of a troll. an i truly do appreciate every one that included their opinions because all of you do expand my knowledge to greater horizons. i dont know how strongly you will take this but i believe if its possible for me to have a idea and manifest into my own personal life i believe it is possible a higher entity can manifest somthing as DNA. theres no reason any of you should be upset we are here to question and learn no matter where that takes us. if you guys really are upset ill ask an administrator to take these to threads down i just wanted to share information i thought was interesting who cares if there claim are correct incorrect or scientific or not every ones opinon matters

We're not upset. When you say that DNA proves that there is a god, you have left the realm of faith and entered into the realm of science. That realm requires you to test and prove your assumptions. If you don't wish to do that, don't make scientific claims.

 

[AxolotlsAreCoolToo]

You can't test/reproduce the Christianity belief of Creation, nor can you reproduce/test evolution...evolution is a theory, taken on faith. So is Christianity, we put our faith into this belief. (that's why it is called faith. religions are sometimes called faith, like what is your faith instead of religion)

....Ax, dont come at it from the wrong approach, by the things you are saying, are you a Christian, or just believe that there is a Creator?

i just think it just may be possible that there could be a higher divine force that can be the source of all complexity

 

[AxolotlsAreCoolToo]

We're not upset. When you say that DNA proves that there is a god, you have left the realm of faith and entered into the realm of science. That realm requires you to test and prove your assumptions. If you don't wish to do that, don't make scientific claims.

i didnt say it proves there is god the video does.

i want you to spent the next week every time you wake up and go to sleep think about a some idea could be little or could be large anything, see if it becomes more relevant in your external life cause if this is how it works i believe it adds to the possibility that there could be a god that is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient and feeding information back to you biased one what intentions you put out.

 

[Mime454]

Have you heard of the confirmation bias? I'm a science guy, but I'm guilty of this all the time. It's a human characteristic to look for patterns. If you spend your life looking for positive events, you're more likely to notice positive events. It might make life more enjoyable, but it isn't proof if anything divine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

If this "Secret" were true, it would mean that everyone in starving to death is Africa just aren't as happy as those in America. Maybe if those children just wished for a cheeseburger, it would come to them. Sad that they're not as happy and positive thinking as these is of in rich, first world countries.

 

[gripen]

We're not upset. When you say that DNA proves that there is a god, you have left the realm of faith and entered into the realm of science. That realm requires you to test and prove your assumptions. If you don't wish to do that, don't make scientific claims.

i didnt say it proves there is god the video does.

i want you to spent the next week every time you wake up and go to sleep think about a some idea could be little or could be large anything, see if it becomes more relevant in your external life cause if this is how it works i believe it adds to the possibility that there could be a god that is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient and feeding information back to you biased one what intentions you put out.

I guess I read the title "DNA-gods amazing programming" wrong then. Have fun with your introspective analysis and I hope you see what ever makes you happy.

 

[aNisip]

What of micro evolution?

I believe in micro-evolution, because there IS proof...The Bible is not to clear on that, after The Fall of Man and The Flood, things on earth changed...

I invite you to present some evidence that shows DNA is a product of supernatural design -

-Montana

MY RESPONSE IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS A SPECIFIC PERSON

In the process of chemiosmosis (making ATP), how can that detailed proton pump just assemble or evolve? (my opinion)...really think about how complex things like that can just evolve. Or the bacterial flagella that is irreducibly complex...

DNA contains information specifically for making proteins. If you will, it is like an instruction manual for making proteins. Did the proteins evolve fist? Or the dna? ....I guess they just had to co-evolve at the same time...would we ever think that something that contained information was not written by some source of intelligence?