Few things about Me

[PragmaticHominid]

I like turtles.

 

[kitkat39]

I like turtles.

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Mr.Mantid]

I like turtles.

+1 you beat me to it.

 

[GreenOasis]

Honestly you should probably just let it go man. give her a break it's not that much money. So much could go wrong from sending live nymphs across seas . . . It must be a difficult process for her.

I think we should give her a break. I haven't ordered from Frey but I know she isn't a bad person and if it's seven dollars just let it go , it's not worth all this trouble.

It's not $7...it's $7 EURO, which is what, Phil...$15? And no, it isn't much money, but he has a point that it is the principle of the matter. That money was not for ooths or nymphs that arrived dead, that money was for something he never even received.

 

[GreenOasis]

No, Of course I won't "jump all over you again" Carey, You've said nothing to make me do so, and I always reply post by post. It would be hard to be chronically mad at members whom I don't even know outside of the forum. Probably bad for my BP, too. Also, I'm having too much fun with Mylo to need another outlet at the moment!

I did wonder a little about your phrase "blatantly clear", though, but I suspect that you may have meant the similar and much more common phrase, "abundantly clear".And yes, I did, and that statement is still true. I am not Frey's agent or partner. We have a loose, friendly arrangement, as becomes good friends, for our mutual benefit, and that of the forum We're not filing articles of incorporation limited partnership or anything like that, and I think that we are a long way from our IPO , but perhaps your stimulating posts accelerated the process.

You idea was great, but I shall not be forwarding Frey's ooths to anyone else and adding to the cost and increasing the chance of death or hatching; Instead, I shall just receive as many ooths as we find convenient and sell the nymphs at L2. or so.

And yes indeed, Peter has approved a "Special Terms of Service" which I hope will obviate any confusions on the part of members and (I must admit, my major concern) protect her as well as her customers. It is "coming shortly" but it is rather clunky, so if Frey is posting on font size# 2, I shall suggest that she prints it in size#1 Come to think of it, I think that she uses #3. It will save space and be genuine "fine print"!

I shall write you this afternoon, and since it is a Friday, I won't have to tutor Amanda on the *** life of bacteria (oh yes, they have one!) so Ill have some extra time.

Perhaps I should've said "patently clear", then?

And no, I was not talking about ooths...at least, not specifically. If I were Frey, I would get out of shipping ooths (especially wild-caught) altogether, but it's really none of MY business how she handles hers. I was just talking about nymphs.

And...I forgot to mention this earlier: Wouldn't using heat packs be a BAD idea in shipping overseas? Don't the boxes get scanned or something & wouldn't a heat pack show up as a big chunk of metal what with all the iron powder in it? (Being hypothetical since I have next to no experience with overseas shipping processes.) Also, heat radiating from an envelope would probably be a bad idea going through the hands of a customs official, and we all know how Frey likes to use envelopes!

Phil, yes we are all seriously PC in America to the extent that no one thinks anyone should be allowed to speak their mind. I kind of hate that "hush, hush" attitude because then how do you know where you stand with someone? Rather dishonest & somewhat backstabbing in my opinion. But yes, we do tend to tiptoe on eggshells here. I blame socialism...cleverly disguised as liberalism (not that it's ALL bad!) :blink:

 

[GreenOasis]

I like waffles

fftopic:

LOL...I almost hit a turtle on the way home this evening.

It's KitKat's FAULT! :shuriken:

 

[PragmaticHominid]

Phil, yes we are all seriously PC in America to the extent that no one thinks anyone should be allowed to speak their mind. I kind of hate that "hush, hush" attitude because then how do you know where you stand with someone? Rather dishonest & somewhat backstabbing in my opinion. But yes, we do tend to tiptoe on eggshells here. I blame socialism...cleverly disguised as liberalism (not that it's ALL bad!) :blink:

Lol, speaking as a socialist, I can say that if you think socialism is about "tiptoeing on eggshells" and not speaking one's mind... then I don't think you've met many socialists. That is in fact liberalism that you're thinking of.

 

[PhilinYuma]

Lol, speaking as a socialist, I can say that if you think socialism is about "tiptoeing on eggshells" and not speaking one's mind... then I don't think you've met many socialists. That is in fact liberalism that you're thinking of.

Ha,ha! Yes! My beloved DinL Jean Anne was a "left wing" activist for years, and she can not only argue persuasively but back it up with a good right hook.! :clap:

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,

alive as you and me.

Says I "But Joe, you're ten years dead"

"I never died" said he,

"I never died" said he.

 

[PragmaticHominid]

I just about die laughing every time I see this vid.

I hope my kids are that cool.

 

[hibiscusmile]

I guess I could say something to. Frey the biggest problem you have is you do not know how to ship and you must start keeping your word.

You need to use a box, like a shoe box that is wadded with newspapers around the cups, but the cups are also the problem, you have to small a cup for the nymphs you send. if you could get a wider cup or container and glue some paper towel around the lid and sides you would have much better results, if that means charging more to ship, then charge it. The pricing is solely up to you, not the buyer, you tell us you want X amount to ship one way and x amount to ship another way, one is more likely to arrive alive, the other not so much, as this gives them a choice. There has to be a cotton pad or something to hold water for them, nymphs will survive if given a drink, but not without it.

As most have said, we expect to have replacements when you agree to replace, it has been over a year for me and you have never replace anything I pruchased from you, you always say when I ask, that the item is someone elses, this of course is fine, but waiting over a year is not, so I have to agree with most on the forum, if you say something, you need to stick with your word, if you do not, then all you have is unhappy customers.

Hope you take advice on shipping and good luck.

 

[alicenwnderlnd]

It is not in my nature to get involved with anything like this, but i have to add my thoughts on this subject. First off, i have ordered from overseas three times in the last year or so. first time was an ebay purchase for nymphs, all DOA...the person i received them from was nice though and sent me an ooth to replace them. ooth never hatched but, it was nice just the same. i kinda decided then that it was not a good idea, but hey, when i saw an idolomantis ooth on ebay, I put all reasoning aside and wanted it so badly, i missed the auction closing time and missed out! but, when i talked to the seller, he had no problem shipping to the usa and had another one! I dropped a nice chunk of change on it, it took 11 days to get to me, the seller even threw in some nymphs that of course were DOA.. After a couple of weeks, i emailed the seller and asked for an approximate hatching date he did not know, so i kept incubating, hoping... then wishing it would hatch. I promised myself i would never do that again. I found this forum, and can fuel my addiction almost locally! but, i did it again! i bought 2 ooths and a handful of nymphs from justyna, you see, I am a gambler and just could not resist! my nymphs arrived in 7 days, there were deaths, but not to bad. and today, i have 48 nymphs from those two ooths. (which from what i read, was a great hatching for the species.) I would had been happier with no deaths but is that really realistic? nope. so really the moral of this story is that Justyna seems to have a better grip on shipping to the US then some, i would order from her again simply because she gets stuff hard to get in the US, has good prices, and frankly I like her. It seems to me, when you buy anything that is living and it takes more than 4 days to get to you, its a huge risk. every time I make a deal these days, I hear phil saying "Are you feeling Lucky?"

I am just curios about one thing though, Mylo, why did you sell the ooths on Ebay instead of here or on the uk forum? that has been really puzzling me for a while now.

 

[sporeworld]

I had a few rounds of dud ooths from Frey, got frustrated, and went through the usual cycle of despair.  Then I did a LOT more reading, chatted with a LOT of people, and realized how foolish it was (probably) to buy ooths without a guarantee or plan of action should they fail. HUGE applause to the breeders who DO guarantee their arrivals. And frowns to people who STILL don’t understand why those SAME people have to charge MORE for the same product. Baffling.

Anyhoo - in order to get Idolos back in our community, I needed a new strategy.

Frey has/had Idolos, and no one else did – at least not publically. So, a few of us like-minded enthusiasts arranged to have packages sent at the same time. We discussed with Frey the packaging protocol in detail, agreed on a price and who would accept the risks. We came to understand the value of $65 Express Mail, and agreed it was the best method.

I am very happy without the outcome of the experiment. Frey has been responsive and professional. Packaging on large communals has improved to equal the best I’ve seen in the hobby so far. Shipping in the Spring/Summer has certainly been a boon to the endeavor. I think a 5-10% loss of nymphs is reasonable to expect just sitting in a jar, let alone crossing 2 continents and an ocean. Several ooths have hatched (one in transit), so we KNOW you CAN get a viable ooth the US.

I think Phil is now solidly positioned to accept ooths, hatch them, and sell (or don’t) the nymphs. Smart deal all around. My regret is that we didn’t have this in place 2 years ago, not that my ooths didn’t hatch. Some in our community may be regretting that THEY weren’t in Phil’s position all along.

In the end, I suspect Project: Frey will be a big asset to the hobby, and we’ll look back (with some regret) and be thankful we endured the grief, negotiated out a point or two, and got a system we can all use and be happy with.

To those still negotiating with Frey for problem deals, questionable or not, I recommend re-negotiating. I am constantly giving away or trading over-stock nymphs. If I have what you are owed, I’m sure some private satisfaction can be found, even if you never get the level of public “justice” you prefer. Now is the time to make amends and not close off an avenue to some amazing species.

“The clenched fist cannot receive a gift”.

 

[angelofdeathzz]

Sporeworld: To those still negotiating with Frey for problem deals, questionable or not, I recommend re-negotiating. I am constantly giving away or trading over-stock nymphs. If I have what you are owed, I’m sure some private satisfaction can be found, even if you never get the level of public “justice” you prefer. Now is the time to make amends and not close off an avenue to some amazing species.

"What a Nice and Very Honorable Member he is indeed !!!"

Remember these phrases below when something doesn't work as planned...

Sporeworld: “The clenched fist cannot receive a gift”. Nick: "Nobody likes dead nymph's in the mail, but if it happens maybe try to get your point across in a civil manner and you'll get better results"

 

[patrickfraser]

Civility doesn't seem to work either.

 

[alicenwnderlnd]

I had a few rounds of dud ooths from Frey, got frustrated, and went through the usual cycle of despair. Then I did a LOT more reading, chatted with a LOT of people, and realized how foolish it was (probably) to buy ooths without a guarantee or plan of action should they fail. HUGE applause to the breeders who DO guarantee their arrivals. And frowns to people who STILL dont understand why those SAME people have to charge MORE for the same product. Baffling.

Anyhoo - in order to get Idolos back in our community, I needed a new strategy.

Frey has/had Idolos, and no one else did at least not publically. So, a few of us like-minded enthusiasts arranged to have packages sent at the same time. We discussed with Frey the packaging protocol in detail, agreed on a price and who would accept the risks. We came to understand the value of $65 Express Mail, and agreed it was the best method.

I am very happy without the outcome of the experiment. Frey has been responsive and professional. Packaging on large communals has improved to equal the best Ive seen in the hobby so far. Shipping in the Spring/Summer has certainly been a boon to the endeavor. I think a 5-10% loss of nymphs is reasonable to expect just sitting in a jar, let alone crossing 2 continents and an ocean. Several ooths have hatched (one in transit), so we KNOW you CAN get a viable ooth the US.

I think Phil is now solidly positioned to accept ooths, hatch them, and sell (or dont) the nymphs. Smart deal all around. My regret is that we didnt have this in place 2 years ago, not that my ooths didnt hatch. Some in our community may be regretting that THEY werent in Phils position all along.

In the end, I suspect Project: Frey will be a big asset to the hobby, and well look back (with some regret) and be thankful we endured the grief, negotiated out a point or two, and got a system we can all use and be happy with.

To those still negotiating with Frey for problem deals, questionable or not, I recommend re-negotiating. I am constantly giving away or trading over-stock nymphs. If I have what you are owed, Im sure some private satisfaction can be found, even if you never get the level of public justice you prefer. Now is the time to make amends and not close off an avenue to some amazing species.

The clenched fist cannot receive a gift.

+1

 

[myles]

any chance of the 7.50 refund frey ?

 

[PhilinYuma]

Mylo: Are you really talking about 7.50 EUR total? If so, I'll be happy to send it to you, I've given more than that to buskers on tube stations! I'm not doing it for Frey, just for peace for me and everyone else (besides, I can always take it out of what I send to Frey, but you'll never know!) Just p.m. me with your PayPal addy and I'll send it out today. All I ask in return is that you stop spamming this thread and post here to that effect. I also owe you a pint. How much is that these days?.

 

[myles]

frey owes me the refund so once more i say mind your own business

 

[PhilinYuma]

Just wanted to make sure that you were more interested in spamming than getting the money. Now we all know!

 

[myles]

its not about the money its about frey being a liar , she owes me a refund and i want it simple as that so yet again i say mind your own business