patrickfraser
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I'll take a refund from you for Frey. Sounds like a sweet deal.
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angelofdeathzz
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Phil is a rare Member that gives this forum some needed spunk and smarts so don't lay into him much, it's all his business here , I think I speak for more than myself on this Mylo, he's been here before you and then some... Just take a breath and relax, take a refund!!!
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I think Mylo is the one showing Spunk. He has been cheated. The cheater has posted here and will not reply to pms. He wants the cheater to make amends and not cheat others. It would be easier for him to leave it and then the cheater would have benefitted from cheating and have an incentive to cheat again. Mylo I urge you to try to get your money from Frey that was taken for goods that were not sent and not turn a blind eye to dishonest behaviour.
This has nothing to do with me but I keep an eye on Frey's feedback to see it gets to an acceptable level that she could deal on the UK forum and feel that Mylo is trying to fight the good fight and does not need a few Euros hush money from Phil.
PhilinYuma
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I think Mylo is the one showing Spunk. He has been cheated. The cheater has posted here and will not reply to PMs. He wants the cheater to make amends and not cheat others. It would be easier for him to leave it and then the cheater would have benefited from cheating and have an incentive to cheat again. Mylo I urge you to try to get your money from Frey that was taken for goods that were not sent and not turn a blind eye to dishonest behavior.
This has nothing to do with me but I keep an eye on Frey's feedback to see it gets to an acceptable level that she could deal on the UK forum and feel that Mylo is trying to fight the good fight and does not need a few Euros hush money from Phil.
Hi, Gill!
Nice to see you on the forum! I remember you joining on my 71st birthday, but I don't think that you have ever posted anything on this forum in the past two and a half years, so we have been deprived of your mantis expertise.
Like you, I believe in defending my friends, and Frey is not just a "forum friend" but a personal one. Since these are your only forum posts and you are involving yourself in an issue that does not appear to concern you, I imagine that you must be a personal friend of Mylo's, too.
You say that I offered him "hush money" and that is exactly what I would call it. As I said, I wasn't doing this for Frey; she doesn't need my financial help. I wanted to end his stream of repetitive abuse and have him hush up.. Did you know that between you, you have posted 19 of the 64 posts (including this) and added nothing new?
Although he is posting abusively on an open forum, when I have disagreed with him, Mylo has told me to "mind my own business". I notice that you say that this matter is not your business, but it has not stopped you from making three posts. Am I right in thinking that in this matter, at least, you and your friend Mylo disagree, or do you encourage such abuse, whether "righteous" or not, on your forum?
Since I correspond with Frey several times a week, I am aware , in detail, of her version, at least, of her transaction with Mylo. I know the species of the ten mantids she sent him, I know of the extras and how much the deal was valued at I know the exact temperature in Drozd on the day that the parcel was mailed.(not hard to research!) and of their subsequent discussion. but that is just Frey's version. I imagine that you have heard a different, detailed version from your friend Mylo, or you wouldn't be breaking a two and a half year silence just to call Frey "a cheat" (actually, you don't but you manage to use the noun, gerundive and the infinitive of that term to describe her in two sentences! I am impressed!). Am I correct in this? If not, I cannot imagine why you would assume that Mylo "has spunk" (I initially used that term on this thread as a joke!). In any event, you have Mylo's version and decided that Frey is a cheat. I shall certainly not call Mylo a vicious liar, whatever my personal view, because that is where the kind of brawl that is not allowed in forums on this side of the Atlantic begins.
I am surprised that as a forum administrator, you are not aware of this, or,like Mark Anthony at Caesar's funeral, is it your intention to fan the flames? And if you have not read the directive of the owner of this forum, any discussion of Frey's status on any other forum is not germane to any discussion here..Since you have not accused but judged Frey guilty of what in the States, we call "moral turpitude" there seems to be little reason for you to lurk on this forum any longer,simply to monitor her posts.
So goodbye, Gill, unless you wish to celebrate your MantidForum debut with a fourth post, and I hope that sometime in the future you will delight us by sharing some of your mantis lore.
I think Mylo is the one showing Spunk. He has been cheated. The cheater has posted here and will not reply to PMs. He wants the cheater to make amends and not cheat others. It would be easier for him to leave it and then the cheater would have benefited from cheating and have an incentive to cheat again. Mylo I urge you to try to get your money from Frey that was taken for goods that were not sent and not turn a blind eye to dishonest behavior.
This has nothing to do with me but I keep an eye on Frey's feedback to see it gets to an acceptable level that she could deal on the UK forum and feel that Mylo is trying to fight the good fight and does not need a few Euros hush money from Phil.
Hi, Gill!
Nice to see you on the forum! I remember you joining on my 71st birthday, but I don't think that you have ever posted anything on this forum in the past two and a half years, so we have been deprived of your mantis expertise.
Like you, I believe in defending my friends, and Frey is not just a "forum friend" but a personal one. Since these are your only forum posts and you are involving yourself in an issue that does not appear to concern you, I imagine that you must be a personal friend of Mylo's, too.
You say that I offered him "hush money" and that is exactly what I would call it. As I said, I wasn't doing this for Frey; she doesn't need my financial help. I wanted to end his stream of repetitive abuse and have him hush up.. Did you know that between you, you have posted 19 of the 64 posts (including this) and added nothing new?
Although he is posting abusively on an open forum, when I have disagreed with him, Mylo has told me to "mind my own business". I notice that you say that this matter is not your business, but it has not stopped you from making three posts. Am I right in thinking that in this matter, at least, you and your friend Mylo disagree, or do you encourage such abuse, whether "righteous" or not, on your forum?
Since I correspond with Frey several times a week, I am aware , in detail, of her version, at least, of her transaction with Mylo. I know the species of the ten mantids she sent him, I know of the extras and how much the deal was valued at I know the exact temperature in Drozd on the day that the parcel was mailed.(not hard to research!) and of their subsequent discussion. but that is just Frey's version. I imagine that you have heard a different, detailed version from your friend Mylo, or you wouldn't be breaking a two and a half year silence just to call Frey "a cheat" (actually, you don't but you manage to use the noun, gerundive and the infinitive of that term to describe her in two sentences! I am impressed!). Am I correct in this? If not, I cannot imagine why you would assume that Mylo "has spunk" (I initially used that term on this thread as a joke!). In any event, you have Mylo's version and decided that Frey is a cheat. I shall certainly not call Mylo a vicious liar, whatever my personal view, because that is where the kind of brawl that is not allowed in forums on this side of the Atlantic begins.
I am surprised that as a forum administrator, you are not aware of this, or,like Mark Anthony at Caesar's funeral, is it your intention to fan the flames? And if you have not read the directive of the owner of this forum, any discussion of Frey's status on any other forum is not germane to any discussion here..Since you have not accused but judged Frey guilty of what in the States, we call "moral turpitude" there seems to be little reason for you to lurk on this forum any longer,simply to monitor her posts.
So goodbye, Gill, unless you wish to celebrate your MantidForum debut with a fourth post, and I hope that sometime in the future you will delight us by sharing some of your mantis lore.
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As a representative of the people who have had no transactions with Mylo, Frey, or Phil, I would like to voice in. The way that this issue is handled is no longer anyone's private business because it is posted on a public message board, and what people see on this board affect how they view Frey as a seller. This is the case for me and anyone else who is new. I feel no allegiance to anyone in this conversation, only a desire to obtain mantises.
My interest is in obtaining rare species that can't be obtained from anyone else except (someone like) Frey, and it appears that the words of several buyers here have made me question whether my purchases would arrive alive. If I am looking for an exotic species, then paying more to obtain it from someone halfway across the world is completely acceptable, but I don't want to gamble with my money. Due to the words of several unhappy buyers, it now seems that the onus is on Frey to indicate how she will make sure my package arrives safely, assuming she wants more business.
So here is my question, looking to the future: what is Frey's current policy in terms of shipping mantises? What additional steps are being taken to make sure the events of the past don't repeat themselves?
My interest is in obtaining rare species that can't be obtained from anyone else except (someone like) Frey, and it appears that the words of several buyers here have made me question whether my purchases would arrive alive. If I am looking for an exotic species, then paying more to obtain it from someone halfway across the world is completely acceptable, but I don't want to gamble with my money. Due to the words of several unhappy buyers, it now seems that the onus is on Frey to indicate how she will make sure my package arrives safely, assuming she wants more business.
So here is my question, looking to the future: what is Frey's current policy in terms of shipping mantises? What additional steps are being taken to make sure the events of the past don't repeat themselves?
phil why dont you act your age instead of pathetic attempts to get me to bite at your numerous insults aimed at me im not here for an arguement with you or anyone so i wont take the bait to lower me to your level of insults , again your sticking your nose into my and freys business , i paid for 5 european dwarf mantis nymphs and i later decided i didnt want them as i had no way of feeding them as they need spring tails , i told frey not to send them and she said ok i will paste here what i ordered and paid , and yet again i point out i sent frey at my own expence a shipping warmer (heat pack ) to put in with the package ,
NYMPHS can you read that frey and phil , i never got the nymphs how long is this going to go on and on and on for
NYMPHS can you read that frey and phil , i never got the nymphs how long is this going to go on and on and on for
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the €7.50 she owes me is not the point it could be 50cent or 50euro it doesnt matter what the value is its the fact i paid for something i didnt get
i propose an experiment , i am in europe same as frey i will post someone in the usa a package with nymphs and an ooth for FREE , we can see how many nymphs make it or if the ooth freezes or hatches or is infertile , , so anyone who isnt on mine, phils or freys friend list on here (to make it fair) i will send to them , the nymphs i have are giant asian mantids and ive an indian flower ooth , ill post them for FREE , this could go wrong of course and no nymphs make it or the ooth doesnt hatch but i will feel some sort of gratification if they do make it and the ooth hatches to show frey how its done, id like to post them to Alice as a gesture but if shes friends with any of us 3 i will let freys spokesman phil select the person out of any interested people all i ask for is an honest comment on if the nymphs make it or if the ooth hatches , so put your name down if your interested and phil can select who he wants , perhaps a pointless experiment but i use proper packaging and i will use regular post just like frey does
id also like to point out ive no idea who gill is phil so dont assume and stick to the facts
i propose an experiment , i am in europe same as frey i will post someone in the usa a package with nymphs and an ooth for FREE , we can see how many nymphs make it or if the ooth freezes or hatches or is infertile , , so anyone who isnt on mine, phils or freys friend list on here (to make it fair) i will send to them , the nymphs i have are giant asian mantids and ive an indian flower ooth , ill post them for FREE , this could go wrong of course and no nymphs make it or the ooth doesnt hatch but i will feel some sort of gratification if they do make it and the ooth hatches to show frey how its done, id like to post them to Alice as a gesture but if shes friends with any of us 3 i will let freys spokesman phil select the person out of any interested people all i ask for is an honest comment on if the nymphs make it or if the ooth hatches , so put your name down if your interested and phil can select who he wants , perhaps a pointless experiment but i use proper packaging and i will use regular post just like frey does
id also like to point out ive no idea who gill is phil so dont assume and stick to the facts
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patrickfraser
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I'd like to be on the list of possible recipients.
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sporeworld
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I'm not clear on what you want to prove with that experiment?
I know first-hand from quite a bit of experience now, that L1 nymphs and fertile ooths can routinely make the trip safely (assume about 5-10% losses). Good weather and nutrition play a big part, and packaging is the rest. Nymphs in plastic cups with very little ventilation - no way. Nymphs in Yen-style (see his post) package - huge success. The need for heat-packs is seasonal.
I will note that packages I've gotten with multiple species have had mixed results (Megas, for instance). Some species just can't seem to tolerate the stress, or temps, or lack of humidity. So, if you DO conduct your shipping experiment, you should try to use the same (or very similar) species. Or find a hardy species and send a single nymph as a "canary in a coal mine", kind of thing.
Either way, I'd love to hear the results...
I know first-hand from quite a bit of experience now, that L1 nymphs and fertile ooths can routinely make the trip safely (assume about 5-10% losses). Good weather and nutrition play a big part, and packaging is the rest. Nymphs in plastic cups with very little ventilation - no way. Nymphs in Yen-style (see his post) package - huge success. The need for heat-packs is seasonal.
I will note that packages I've gotten with multiple species have had mixed results (Megas, for instance). Some species just can't seem to tolerate the stress, or temps, or lack of humidity. So, if you DO conduct your shipping experiment, you should try to use the same (or very similar) species. Or find a hardy species and send a single nymph as a "canary in a coal mine", kind of thing.
Either way, I'd love to hear the results...
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Krissim Klaw
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Hey, I'm not on either of you guys friends lists, you should totally send the experimental shipment of mantises to me. Come on, you know I would spoil them. B)
Lol I'm gone for a few days and you guys go and start this sort of fun topic without me. First off, I would like to state I have never done business with Frey so none of my comments are directed specifically at one user or because I have a bone to pick with someone in particular on this forum.
As a buyer however it is important to me that my shipments arrive alive. I expect the seller to have the knowledge and skills to get me the product I am paying for. If they can't, then I rather they don't take my money. I don't think it should be my responsibility to pay for dead nymphs when I ordered live ones. One of the ways I can tell a seller has a vested interest in how my nymphs arrive is if they have some sort of guarantee when it comes to arrival. If they are willing to put their wallets on the line too then I know they are serious about making sure my babies arrive alive, and I am more than willing to pay extra for properly insulated packages and a speedy delivery if that is what it takes to play it safe. I know there is always a risk when shipping live critters, but I want a seller that is confident enough in their shipment method to assure me if I get a box full of all dead babies then I will either get a replacement shipment or my money back.
For me it is not merely about the money. There is nothing sadder in this hobby then getting a box full of dead nymphs and knowing you had a hand to play in their death when you chose their seller to order from. I feel like giving a big sham on you, to both buyers and sellers that are willing to cut corners on live animal shipments to try and save a little extra cash.
Of course as everyone already knows, these are the opinions of a person that gets very attached to her claw babies. If someone on the street came up to me tomorrow and offer $1,000 for one of my current girls and I would turn them down. :wub:
Lol I'm gone for a few days and you guys go and start this sort of fun topic without me. First off, I would like to state I have never done business with Frey so none of my comments are directed specifically at one user or because I have a bone to pick with someone in particular on this forum.
As a buyer however it is important to me that my shipments arrive alive. I expect the seller to have the knowledge and skills to get me the product I am paying for. If they can't, then I rather they don't take my money. I don't think it should be my responsibility to pay for dead nymphs when I ordered live ones. One of the ways I can tell a seller has a vested interest in how my nymphs arrive is if they have some sort of guarantee when it comes to arrival. If they are willing to put their wallets on the line too then I know they are serious about making sure my babies arrive alive, and I am more than willing to pay extra for properly insulated packages and a speedy delivery if that is what it takes to play it safe. I know there is always a risk when shipping live critters, but I want a seller that is confident enough in their shipment method to assure me if I get a box full of all dead babies then I will either get a replacement shipment or my money back.
For me it is not merely about the money. There is nothing sadder in this hobby then getting a box full of dead nymphs and knowing you had a hand to play in their death when you chose their seller to order from. I feel like giving a big sham on you, to both buyers and sellers that are willing to cut corners on live animal shipments to try and save a little extra cash.
Of course as everyone already knows, these are the opinions of a person that gets very attached to her claw babies. If someone on the street came up to me tomorrow and offer $1,000 for one of my current girls and I would turn them down. :wub:
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PhilinYuma
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It's easy to get things wrong, but takes guts (or spunk!) to say so publicly. I apologize to you for assuming that Mylo was your friend.
PhilinYuma
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You are wrong, KK! I just checked yr profile and saw that one of us is on yr friends list! (Chuckles evilly).
PhilinYuma
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I agree with this, and would add that Frey's packing could often benefit from improvement. To that end, I have scoured around and importing two batches of nymphs from Europe this week. If they have a high survival rate, I shall pass the packing information on to her.
An important factor that you missed, though, is that summer shipping is infinitely (I say that when I can't think of a number!) safer than when the temperature is at two degrees below freezing. Those insects were probably dead before they got on the plane in Warsaw. Also, the nymphs that Mylo bought, Statilio maculata, as I remember, are a lot less robust than shields.
But if it gets Patrick a few free nymphs, the idea can't be all bad!
patrickfraser
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I think it's a superb idea. Am I the front runner? I really love the flower mantids.
Krissim Klaw
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I see you there, crushing my dreams for freebie mantises. :detective: :batman: Before this thread, I didn't even realize this forum had friends list options. It shouldn't be surprising though that my list has been empty all this time. Like the Chinese mantises I so adore I have a high rate of cannibalizing those that get too close. :shifty:You are wrong, KK! I just checked yr profile and saw that one of us is on yr friends list! (Chuckles evilly).
sporeworld
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alicenwnderlnd
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I am not sure either what this would prove.? I really am not "Friends" with any of the three involved here, but... the experiment has been done. I have received from all, and frey's are the only that arrived alive..And FERTILE.
sorry Phil, i didn't mean that i had ordered unfertile things from you! just for the record.
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PhilinYuma
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No, of course not. As I explained at the time, the 25 ooths that I sent you that never hatched were all fertile, but the radioactivity from the Yuma Proving Ground down the road must have sterilized them. I am holding on to your $750, and will send you 25 more ooths, plus "one to grow on" as soon as the radioactivity from the depleted uranium dies down.
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alicenwnderlnd
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:lol: :lol: now what am i going to put in my spongeworld Tank?No, of course not. As I explained at the time, the 25 ooths that I sent you that never hatched were all fertile, but the radioactivity from the Yuma Proving Ground down the road must have sterilized them. I am holding on to your $750, and will send you 25 more ooths, plus "one to grow on" as soon as the radioactivity from the depleted uranium dies down.
