Morpheus uk
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Amazing photo!
Idolomantis diabolica
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macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
not the sharpest but his hole hole body was shaking so fast im gueesing he was warming up his wing muscle as 1 min after me taking the pic he flew off..these are amazing mantids..when its sat on your hand flapping its wings it feals strange.
macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
male - adult
macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
seems like i been waiting a life time for this female to shedd. :angry: hopfully any day now.
macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
stewmcfew's from flickr told me its about 4 weeks away from shedding..majour bummer.oh well leaste i got the nymphs..cause i cant see my male living another 2 months no way.I bet hes got another 4 weeks in him max, :angry:
MantidLord
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Dang :angry: Hopefully the female will shed real soon. Things taking forever.
Morpheus uk
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Bung the lazy mantid by a radiator, that should speed things along :lol:
Will yens superior super feeding work?
Will yens superior super feeding work?
macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
lol.theres nothing more i can do..they have an endles amount of flys as i throw 3 or 4 in there cage every day.yesterday i saw her eat 5 massive flys in 20 mins..she was dam hungry,the cage is heated to 93f 24hous a day.its just a waiting game now.
macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
they dont get a night..sinse they been L3/L4 they have had light for 24/7...why is it bad?i got them to adult and sub adult from L3/L4 so i cant see why its bad?
im in a proceess of sorting out a room just for mantids..i can then set all the lighting on a timer,18hours on 6 hoursoff and a heated room when the light goes off..il only do that tho cause they do it in the wild..im giving them 24hours now and it dont seem to bother them..imo there at peake health..same goes for the L1 nymphs..there all now L2 and they have had 24hours of light also.in a few weeks tho that will change when i get the shed up and running.i got big plans for my shed..its massive..
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Are you joking? You cannot keep an animal that is used to a cyrcadian rhythm at constant light and temp regimes. The species is difficult enough to breed even without such silly experiments. But, regardless what I say, it seems that noone is ever listening. From now on, I will not give any advices regarding this species again. If you think you're right, ok. Everyone gets what he deserves. 
asdsdf
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What do you expect will happen? What about if he keeps the temperature the same night and day, but the light is turned off during the night. I keep all of my heated mantises like that... :blink: They have a heatpack, and during the day, the light is on. But when it's nighttime, I turn it off, but they continue to receive heat throughout the night.
Andrew
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Christian...I'm listening.
Please dont be like that Christian. You are the #1 mantis expert on this board, and for most of us when you speak we listen.Are you joking? You cannot keep an animal that is used to a cyrcadian rhythm at constant light and temp regimes. The species is difficult enough to breed even without such silly experiments. But, regardless what I say, it seems that noone is ever listening. From now on, I will not give any advices regarding this species again. If you think you're right, ok. Everyone gets what he deserves.
macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
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macro junkie
Dead Leaf Mantis
by the time i start breeding them the room will be sorted.this will be in 1 or 2 weeks..i know u are right.thats why im changing it..but for the time iv had them on 24/7 iv grown them up from nympth to adult so i cant see what the problem is.theres always yen any way..he will help me.
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spawn
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Scott -- buying a bunch of mantids with some loose change doesn't make you qualified to tell people to essentially piss off because what you've done is working...so far. Christian has enough stuff in literature that I'd be happy he posts anything at all on the forum. Not to mention the complete lack of tact and lack of knowledge about the mantids in general. It leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths when someone with a pretty camera photographs a bunch of pretty-sought after mantids, and has the experience of an amateur with those mantids. Fancy but no subtance. There are plenty of people on here who are/were trying to work UP to the I. diabolica from prior collections but haven't gotten the chance to buy them or don't have the money that you seem to have. There's nothing wrong with having excess money for it, but to blow it up in people's faces like Christian's and actually give advice on your lack of experience is pointless.
So now you've burnt your bridge with Christian, and Yen's next? What about when Yen moves to Malaysia? Who to turn to? But I guess having more than one opinion on the subject isn't necessary.
Just remember one thing: there are people left in the trade who genuinely like the animals and find keeping them interesting, and are NOT looking to make a living off selling these. Since your "buy everything rare and wanted" tirade started late last year, it seems like you're after the exact opposite. Don't know, but that's how it's portrayed. Tell everyone to F off until you've got enough mantids to sell that people want. It's tactless and I don't like it. Oh and for what's it worth -- the circadian rythm is followed by most living organisms, because you know -- it's that thing that governs how life began and continues to thrive on this thing we call Earth. If your mantids were truly exposed to the same degree of light for 24 hours, it'll catch up to them sooner or later. Maybe not in the current molt, but maybe when it comes time to lay an ooth that comes out like glue instead of foam. I don't know. But why risk the health of the animals (if you don't care that's fine, but why think that people on a site called the MANTID FORUM weren't going to worry about that) on getting them to grow faster by a month's time?
So now you've burnt your bridge with Christian, and Yen's next? What about when Yen moves to Malaysia? Who to turn to? But I guess having more than one opinion on the subject isn't necessary.
Just remember one thing: there are people left in the trade who genuinely like the animals and find keeping them interesting, and are NOT looking to make a living off selling these. Since your "buy everything rare and wanted" tirade started late last year, it seems like you're after the exact opposite. Don't know, but that's how it's portrayed. Tell everyone to F off until you've got enough mantids to sell that people want. It's tactless and I don't like it. Oh and for what's it worth -- the circadian rythm is followed by most living organisms, because you know -- it's that thing that governs how life began and continues to thrive on this thing we call Earth. If your mantids were truly exposed to the same degree of light for 24 hours, it'll catch up to them sooner or later. Maybe not in the current molt, but maybe when it comes time to lay an ooth that comes out like glue instead of foam. I don't know. But why risk the health of the animals (if you don't care that's fine, but why think that people on a site called the MANTID FORUM weren't going to worry about that) on getting them to grow faster by a month's time?
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Villosa
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I agree with Spawn. If there's evidence to suggest that certain environmental conditions must be followed then I'd follow them. Shortening time may even burn out such animals, it happens to plants, why not a mantis. That's why people don't live forever, our hearts eventually get old, tired, and give out. A mantis, or a plant, over prolong amount of nonstop growth may die before reaching maturity. I, myself, am getting 10 idolomantis from Yen because I am about to start a journal all about I. diabolica where I will basically document every right and every wrong, down to even the diameter of a twig one molted from. That's why I'm majoring in entomology! Hopefully with that I can gain some knowledge about how they work and share those with the world. True I was once the person who wanted the most exotic species ever, but after a bit, learning about them seems a lot more fulfilling. Granted I am breeding p. walhbergii and paradoxa right now to fund such things, but that's a long ways away to paying off, I've been using hard earned money so far. Whoa I've rambled, not too sure why I'm here anymore, I guess I like to share about one of my favorite hobbies...
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Dead Leaf Mantis
Rob Byatt
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And me
I'm annoying apparently Deja voiBut, regardless what I say, it seems that noone is ever listening. From now on, I will not give any advices regarding this species again. If you think you're right, ok. Everyone gets what he deserves.
You know I feel the same Christian, but nevermind, those that choose to bury their pride and listen are the ones that will still be here in 12 months time.
