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[AFK]

Then please explain how the Church drives out demons from people with success?

This question assumes 2 things:

1. That demons exist.

2. If demons exist, then these people who were supposedly exorcised were acting crazy because of demons as opposed to psychological disorders, attention, or whatever other non-demonic/non-religious reason.

So in order for me to answer this question, you will have to prove #1, and then #2.

The question is also an example of CIRCULAR REASONING, as I've just detailed above (I did so, because given the reoccurring use of circular logic here, it seems like people don't understand what circular reasoning is).

Give me a @$#% break! You're just avoiding my questions, simply because you cannot answer them. By the Church driving demons out of a person, proves demons exist. No circular reasoning there buddy. If a person gets a demon thrown out of him by religious means, it means that there was either a demon, or that prayer truly does work, not coincedintly, which means that there truly is a God, completly disproving Atheism without using any blasted 'circular reasoning'!

That's absurd, both you getting mad and claiming that I'm avoiding your question. Your question is also absurd too, but out of respect, instead of just flat out saying it, I explained why.

You wanna know why your question is both absurd and circular?

It's like me asking, "Then please explain how the U.S. drives out aliens from Area 51 with success?" and then saying that that is proof that aliens exist. ABSURD.

The logical response would be to elicit the questions begged...

This question assumes 2 things:

1. That aliens exist.

2. If aliens exist, then Area had aliens driven out as opposed to top secret military planes.

So in order for me to answer this question, you will have to prove #1, and then #2.

You guys want to have a logical debate, then obey the laws of logic.

 

[Asa]

I think it's okay to back out of an arguement if your faith in completly being blasted.

 

[Kriss]

What ever your beliefs are, whatever your religion or god, there is no excuse for being rude to another person on any side of a debate.

Or am I wrong and there is cause to be rude?

I find the idea of a god a beautiful thing. I envy those who have real faith and more than this draw strength from that faith everyday.

I unfortunately have no faith in a god. I have said the occasional prayer (mostly for selfish reasons I'm afraid), and have looked around me and seen the beauty of this world and often wondered could there be? But I always have my doubts. It seems far to incredible to me.

I would love to beleive. Maybe I will find my faith one day when I truly need it.

 

[spawn]

Asa, that's the kind of thing that divides our world. We should be willing to discuss everything openly. Otherwise, there will never be peace between the West and the East. Sam Harris is right, and articulates it perfectly in the video Johnald posted. I recommend everyone go back to page 11 and watch the 23 minutes. If you don't want to watch it, you shouldn't be quick to argue in the thread. If you (I don't mean you specifically Asa) have time to formulate a post here to bash someone, you have time to see the video. It's a great video. Sometimes you need someone whose life's work revolves around thinking about why things happen the way they do to say what you were always thinking but afraid to say in order to be completely content with what you truly believe in.

/End passionate rant.

 

[Rick]

Great points AFK. I wish I could put my thoughts into text the way you do.

 

[Asa]

What ever your beliefs are, whatever your religion or god, there is no excuse for being rude to another person on any side of a debate.Or am I wrong and there is cause to be rude?

I find the idea of a god a beautiful thing. I envy those who have real faith and more than this draw strength from that faith everyday.

I unfortunately have no faith in a god. I have said the occasional prayer (mostly for selfish reasons I'm afraid), and have looked around me and seen the beauty of this world and often wondered could there be? But I always have my doubts. It seems far to incredible to me.

I would love to beleive. Maybe I will find my faith one day when I truly need it.

Now Kriss, that is something I need to hear.

Yeah, spawn, I did look at the video a while ago. It is good. I apologise for my outburst earlier. AFK, you're right, I am being hypocritic. Perhaps we will never reach a mutual understanding, but I go away from this discussion with respect for all religious debates, regardless whether I consider if this is right or wrong or not.

 

[robo mantis]

Its done we said all we can say for now lets all be friends lol

 

[colddigger]

man... i read all of this and the entire time i was thinking of AFK as that crazy basterd the Hamburglar, hehehe

and now, a moment of silence..........

:lol:

i can't help it....

 

[Way.Of.The.Mantis]

religion is a mental disorder. seriously.i invite any religious person to prove that there is a god or that creationism is true (without using circular reasoning)' date=' and i will quickly debunk each argument. [/quote']

Ok, if you are serious, then read 'Darwin's Blackbox' - Michael J. Behe, an absolute must for any cynic, evolutionist....very famous book, blows Dawkin out of the water. Available at all good bookshops