Hatching during shipment...grrrr

[Mantida]

Oh my good gosh, I finally get to see the infamous Idolomantis threat pose in action! That dance is funky!

How do they make that clicking noise? Rubbing appendages together? I don't see any rubbing though. :huh: Anyway, nice captures Yen!!

 

[Christian]

Hm, I think that's for me: well, they rub the forewings against the hind femur. The ridge along the forewing possesses on the underside a row of sharp teeth while the femur has 4 ridges along his axis of which the caudal one (that is the ridge which is in contact with the wing in the threat pose) is somewhat strengthened. The femoral ridge rubs along the teeth on the wing and produces the noise. You can simulate it by rubbing your fingernail against the ridge of a wing. By the way, all Empusids have teeth along their forewings and some other species, too. They do not show the threat pose often, though. The noise isn't as loud in any other species as it is in Idolomantis, due to the fact that the teeth on the wings are rather large in this species.

When I first saw and heard the threat pose 3 years ago, a childhood dream was fullfilled at last.

 

[Kruszakus]

Wow! Now I know why people hanker after this mantis.

I hope that this species is something you will stick to, having you rearing it makes many people feel somewhat more comfortable - good to know that having success with it is possible with a little bit of tender care.

Man, this is pretty shocking to hear that a mantis is producing sounds is this way, man - that male seemed to had a really hissy attitude.

 

[macro junkie]

this species is great..and i cant wait to see mine at adult..so yen,,do they do threat poses more when there adult?iv seen them do it now and then in the cage but when i take them out i cant get them to do it..mine are sub adult.and pre sub adult.

 

[macro junkie]

was the noise coming from the wings rubbing against the new cage or was it her making the noise?

 

[Ian]

Yen, awesome to see these have come such a long way!

Fantastic work bud

 

[idolomantis]

the defense poses are awesome!!! meeeeeehhhh mines dont even have other colors then green... -.- lol

 

[macro junkie]

the defense poses are awesome!!! meeeeeehhhh mines dont even have other colors then green... -.- lol

yep..idols rule..its a fact.. there amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gurd]

wicked pics mate and cool vid

Well caught and thanks for sharing

Even heard the flies making their break for freedom

 

[yen_saw]

Thanks all, glad to share it. Part of the noise was from the legs rubbing aginst the net cage too. MJ, i have seen they performed threat pose as early as first instar, although way less spectacular than the adult threat pose

 

[hibiscusmile]

:lol: Yen, I don't think it was so much of a threat pose, he was just showing you that "HE WAS THE MAN" of the house, u know, flexing his muscles :lol: to show u who's boss! Me Idol, you man

 

[idolomantis]

yep..idols rule..its a fact.. there amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yooooooooooohoooooooooooooo my mantidforum name rulezzz!!!!!!!! sorry.

so cool.......

 

[Christian]

was the noise coming from the wings rubbing against the new cage or was it her making the noise?

Part of the noise was from the legs rubbing aginst the net cage too.

:huh: Does anyone ever read what I'm writing? If not, tell me and I will spare my time next time...

 

[macro junkie]

:huh: Does anyone ever read what I'm writing? If not, tell me and I will spare my time next time...

No i didnt buddie..i went to the link yen gave me..i watched it then posted my thoughts..after i did that i then red your post..i should i red the hole thread then posted but this time i didnt..

 

[macro junkie]

Hm, I think that's for me: well, they rub the forewings against the hind femur. The ridge along the forewing possesses on the underside a row of sharp teeth while the femur has 4 ridges along his axis of which the caudal one (that is the ridge which is in contact with the wing in the threat pose) is somewhat strengthened. The femoral ridge rubs along the teeth on the wing and produces the noise. You can simulate it by rubbing your fingernail against the ridge of a wing. By the way, all Empusids have teeth along their forewings and some other species, too. They do not show the threat pose often, though. The noise isn't as loud in any other species as it is in Idolomantis, due to the fact that the teeth on the wings are rather large in this species.When I first saw and heard the threat pose 3 years ago, a childhood dream was fullfilled at last.

iv still not gont mine on camara doing threat pose..there sub and pre sub adult,.it sucks,..

 

[yen_saw]

:huh: Does anyone ever read what I'm writing? If not, tell me and I will spare my time next time...

Gez Christian, with all respect, chill out man! You don't want the thread to be deleted and you know what our moderators are capable of right

And i did read your post, just added that besides the sound made by what you have mentioned, its legs rubbing against the net does help making the sound louder. Your response didn't go unnoticed see thanks really!

Also, the males as usual get agitated easily when you move you face towards them in quick motion. Yeah, that will piss many mantis too

 

[Christian]

They don't rub the legs against the net, as all legs usually rest on the surface. It's the body that is moved by flexing the joints. If the tips of the wings or some other part rubs against the net, this is not intentional. The noise made by the wings is much louder than any unintentional one.

 

[Kruszakus]

Christian, your reply impressed me, and puzzeled as well - the language was clear and concise, but I didn't know if it was the appropriate metalanguage for this forum - it was just so sophisticated and I had to look up certain words in the dictionary - I can speak only for myself, as a simple farmboy, who likes bugs - I'm not a scientist :lol:

 

[Christian]

I didn't know if it was the appropriate metalanguage for this forum

:huh: Now come on, I'm writing in a foreign language (you, too, by the way). If someone is to understand it than all the native speekers here... :lol:

I think "femur" should be an acceptable word for mantid guys. However, I admit that "caudal" is somewhat more difficult, I didn't find another short word for it, though. If you have a leg the femur of which being hold to the side, perpendicular from the body axis, and that femur has four ridges, you have one facing to the head ("cranial" or "craniad", depending on the parameters used), one on the upper side ("dorsal"), one on the underside ("ventral") and one facing to the rear ("caudal"). The dorsal and the ventral ridge expand to the lobes at the end of the femur. The ridge between them, actually facing upwards in a pinned specimen due to the arrangement of the legs, is in fact the "rear", say, caudal one. That ridge rubs against the wing and produces the noise.

:blink: Hm, while re-reading it I doubt it made things clearer... I propose that those guys who have this species better observe it for themselves... :lol:

 

[yen_saw]

huh? English please Christian Thanks for the detailed explaination. Is it about the same as how grasshopper making their sound? rubbing the ridge againts the wing? I will take a better look at the next time male "dance" for me, it is just amazing, i must have really annoyed that male. Can female make this hissing sound too just like the male? Being larger i would assume she could make even louder noise :blink: