Well hopefully I'll have some to sell. if my idolos do well..Thats my plan..I won't sell them for a lot. Its not about the money but about the mantis..Especially these guys..They are my favorite and I want to do my part in helping this species to thrive....Mantidbro..Sorry you've had such bad experiences with these guys..You're lucky tho. some breeders want 75.00 a pc so 5 for 60 isn't that bad really. I have 7 of them 5 females and two males. 4 of them are subs..Guess time will tell if I'm sucessful.. Wish me luck!