The Mantis Team

[Mantis Lady]

Another molt, just happend: Spooky molted to L7

wondering how she looks now, but I leave her alone till tomorrow. I think Spooky will get more beautiful witch each molt.

I am expecting Ghosty to molt too soon.

 

[Graceface]

Oooh, exciting! Spooky is L7 now Gratz on all the molts

 

[hysteresis]

Molting time has started: Soraya was the first to molt. She is L6 now.

And Soraya is H. venosa?

If you find time, can you post a good shot of where her wing buds would be?

Approximately how long is she?

LoL. You know I'm all confused about my goldens' instars now.

[I meant to post this some days ago. If Soraya is L6, how prominent are her wing buds, if any?]

 

[Mantis Lady]

And Soraya is H. venosa? 

I got her as hierodula golden. Is that a H. venosa?

Approximately how long is she?

3 CM

If you find time, can you post a good shot of where her wing buds would be?

the wing buds will be growing in "the middle" piece of the mantis body.  This is the back of Soraya. Wing buds not really visible yet.

 

[hysteresis]

Oh okay thank you.

Yes, H golden is Hierodula venosa. Mine is much larger than yours.

Im at work now but if I had to guess from memory, id say approximately 6cm.

Here you can see her wing buds. Would you say this is what wing buds should look like as a presub or sub? Maybe she's indeed L8 or so.

 

[Mantis Lady]

Yours is indeed older than Soraya. Maybe yours is pre sub because you see already wing buds. I am not sure if there is a pre pre sub stage when wing buds start to grow. But i am wondering when they start to get their yellowish color. Yours is still green

 

[hysteresis]

Yours is indeed older than Soraya. Maybe yours is pre sub because you see already wing buds. I am not sure if there is a pre pre sub stage when wing buds start to grow. 

L8 is presub and L9 is sub, wings at L10. Maybe my goldens are L8, received at L7 I guess.THAT's what i'm hoping. If they're L9, Hope wont make it.

But i am wondering when they start to get their yellowish color. Yours is still green

H. venosa can be green or golden up top, and all shades in between. Their undersides are always golden.

https://www.panterrapets.com/products/golden-giant-asian-mantis-h-venosa

"… it is important to note that some specimens turn out more yellow than others as adults. However, even the specimens that stay more green than yellow as adults have beautiful yellow accents on their underarms, legs and bellies that is absent in a typical adult Giant Asian mantis. "

Noel...

 

[Mantis Lady]

Ty for the info on the goldens. I will see how Soraya her colors will be when she is an adult. I got Soraya L2. she has a few molts to go. I think next molt she will grow a lot. but she ate good today, she ate a few flies.   

Noel looks beautiful. Dont give on Hope. 

It is still sad that Goldie, the male didn't make it because of mismolt. I wanted to see how they will look as adults.

Soraya

 

[MantisGirl13]

Oh okay thank you.

Yes, H golden is Hierodula venosa. Mine is much larger than yours.

Im at work now but if I had to guess from memory, id say approximately 6cm.

Here you can see her wing buds. Would you say this is what wing buds should look like as a presub or sub? Maybe she's indeed L8 or so.

That is a subadult that is going to molt to adult any day now, if I am not mistaken!

 

[MantisGirl13]

Congrats on Spooky's molt, btw! She is a beautiful mantis.

- MantisGirl13

 

[hysteresis]

That is a subadult that is going to molt to adult any day now, if I am not mistaken!

Yea that's totally possible. Nice swollen wing buds. 

Means Hope won't be viable.

 

[MantisGirl13]

Yea that's totally possible. Nice swollen wing buds. 

Means Hope won't be viable.

What do you mean, she won't be viable?

- MantisGirl13

 

[hysteresis]

What do you mean, she won't be viable?

- MantisGirl13

Im worried that since she lost one raptorial tibia and one rear tarsus late in her growth. That would leave her with only four tarsi and one raptorial. Id doubt the tibia and tarsus from her raptorial will come back right in one molt. That's if shes indeed subadult.

If they were presub, then maybe. 

It'll be a miracle if I rig her up and she molts succesfully. Even if she can push out, will she be able to climb up her exuvia without falling?

Can she hang from one tarsus long enough for sclerotization to get to that point?

 

[hysteresis]

Noël should molt perfectly. But Hope...

 

[MantisGirl13]

I have had a mantis molt to adult with no use able back legs(they were twisted behind her so an even more difficult molt) just her middle legs and one raptorial tarsus. Don't give up on her yet!

- MantisGirl13

 

[hysteresis]

I have had a mantis molt to adult with no use able back legs(they were twisted behind her so an even more difficult molt) just her middle legs and one raptorial tarsus. Don't give up on her yet!

- MantisGirl13

Thanks Mantisgirl. I will give it a try.

 

[Mantis Lady]

Give not up on Hope. Maybe the tarsi will partly grow back. I think it will be useful. But how is she doing at the moment?

 

[hysteresis]

Give not up on Hope. Maybe the tarsi will partly grow back. I think it will be useful. But how is she doing at the moment?

I tried suspending her for the evening and she fought it the whole time. I decided this was enough. I let her go.

 

[hysteresis]

But how is she doing at the moment?

Shes frozen  

She pulled on the tape so hard, she was pulling off a tarsus like a sock. I couldnt let it continue.

Lessons learned.

 

[Mantis Lady]

awww, Sorry for your loss I know you did everything you could for her.