2008:Noah's Ark FOUND? Who Was informed?

[PhilinYuma]

The last time that Sunny came back from LA, she made me an orange and black raver kandi bracelet. Does that count?

 

[patrickfraser]

LAME! I will continue to monitor this "discussion". It appears someone needs to grow up and step out of Sunday school for a bit and experience some of the real TRUTH the world has to offer..

 

[HoldThePickle]

"Grow up."

Don't talk to me like that Pickle. Especially when I haven't said anything to you or anyone else (besides patrick) in particular. Show some respect or don't post at all, just keep your mouth shut.

The sarcasm that's I'm reading about religion on this forum has been going on for some time and I'm sick of it. Precarious, I wasn't specifically talking to you. I have no problem with a "civil" discussion. But when you liken someone's beliefs to easter bunnies and mock it, that goes beyond "discussion". I honestly couldn't care less about your opinions (I do like your pics and videos), like I said, and you said, it won't change anyone. Just please show some respect when you state your opinions, because what you and others said can be taken as offensive.

I fail to understand why my post has generated all of this negative backlash. I didn't call someone out, so those that are responding to it are obviously the ones that have taken offense and realize that they are wrong. Throw a dog at a pack of dogs, the one that barks loudest is the one that got hit. People are free to have their own opinions, although I haven't stated mine on this thread at all, just have respect is all I'm saying. If someone mocked atheism or islam, or anything else, I'd feel the same way. Have a good day.

Seriously??? You seriously "fail to understand why your post has generated all of this negative backlash"?? There was a discussion going on, point for point, and you're the first one to chime in demanding that the mod's shut down the thread because you don't like some people's opinions. Nothing was heated, insulting, or crude. You're demanding things to be censored just because you don't agree with it. Now one of the actual faiths you claim were being "attacked" was even offended. As others have said, if you don't want to be involved, then don't be. I won't "show respect" to someone with absolutely no tolerance. Maybe I'm offended by your username being MantidLORD??? Ya know what?? I am... and this message is to the mods to BAN this user because he is making a mockery of my religious beliefs.

If you're going to make argumentative comments to other members without even including a little discussion or explanation at the beginning or end please do not post.

Sorry, I didn't think explanation was needed in this instance. I find it very immature to try halting a debate, a friendly one at that, which was interesting, informative, and free of swears, slurs, hatred, or even hard feelings.

 

[Precarious]

Don't talk to me like that Pickle.

I just included that because it is an awesome quote!

I fail to understand why my post has generated all of this negative backlash.

I think it was the emotional tone of your post that generated the responses. It came off as a plea for moderators to kick us out or delete the post. People don't like to be demonized. I'm pretty sure Phil is a Satanist and even he didn't like that.

I'm sorry but I recognize symbolism and allegory for what it is. I don't know why you have a problem with the word "myth". What do you call the Greek myths? Do I offend Greeks when I call them that? Or don't they count because that religion is out of fashion? A story filled with allegorical symbols is a myth. If someone wants to believe something, that doesn't mean I have to as well. Ridiculous...

Most religious lessons are called parables, right?

par·a·ble

[par-uh-buhl]

noun

1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.

2. a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

myth

[mith]

noun

1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

...

5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

Uh-oh! Now what?

And just for the record I was only kidding about the Easter Bunny. He's fur realz.

I don't imagine you'll suddenly develop the ability to read the scripture on its own merit, I just thought it seemed fair to explain that your argument while full of words and posturing has no truth. Your spouting off lies as old as history itself as though they're some mystical theory discovered recently...

That's kind of the disappointment. You haven't "explained" that my argument while full of words and posturing has no truth. You just stated it and left it at that. As if your judgment is final and requires no elaboration. Again, no counters to the quotes. No specifics. Meh...

I've stated these are not new ideas. I've stated the Catholic Church tried to erase them from history. They failed. Even after burning all those innocent people at the stake. So much for "love thine enemy" or "turn the other cheek." Maybe they didn't get the memo.

...nearly all the heretical texts are just a few incoherent paragraphs but you pretend there's a whole secrete code.

No secret code. It seems pretty obvious to me. Maybe hiding in plain site? Hidden behind tradition?

As far as heretical texts, the official canonical books were not even decided until the Council of Florence in 1443 AD. Until that time there was continual debate as to which would be regarded as scripture. There was nothing but disagreement even till the bitter end. In fact, the council's decisions were only binding to the Western portion of the Church. The Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Ethiopian, Armenian and Syrian churches all have different gospel lists than the Roman.

A group of men, who were at war with the Pope, decided by vote which would be accepted and which would be rejected - one thousand, four hundred, and forty-three years after the crucifixion. That's how the New Testament came to be. Look it up. That's only nine years before the invention of the printing press.

What's more, there are many books not included, not just fragments as you stated. Over 50 full texts were found at Nag Hammadi alone, but there are hundreds that have been around since the very beginning. You're thinking of the Dead Sea Scrolls which are actually fragments of known gospels.

But none of that matters because I'm wrong. You said so.

 

[HoldThePickle]

I just included that because it is an awesome quote!

I'll be honest, I was the one getting yelled at, and I thought the same thing.

 

[Precarious]

I'm starting to think that a few of you, if you lived close enough to each other, there may be some house egging going on soon? Or would it be a burning bag of on the door step?

I'm going to have to ask my Uncle if he still has some of those hippie love beads from the 60's and start mailing them out.

Nuthin' but luv coming from me... :wub: and maybe just a smidge of acidic humor. I'm sorry, but Orin is right about my sick sense of humor. I'll give him that. I'm just glad most people can deal.

I'll say it again, I LOVE everybody here! I'm not afraid to say it...

 

[PhilinYuma]

O.K. Time for a break like the Allies and Germans had in the trenches in 1915 -- remember that? But we can't play a carol, because that would be unfair to us Satanists (and thank you, sir, for giving it the capitalization that it merits) so how about a touching song that Everyone knows, the Nyan Cat Song. Ah, but there have been millions of viewings of that already, so how about something slightly different? Our Henry has already described dubstep for the 1% of forum members unfamiliar with the genre on this very thread, so how about a Nyan Cat Dubstep song? You want me to link you? I thought you'd never ask!

 

[Precarious]

O.K. Time for a break like the Allies and Germans had in the trenches in 1915 -- remember that? But we can't play a carol, because that would be unfair to us Satanists (and thank you, sir, for giving it the capitalization that it merits) so how about a touching song that Everyone knows, the Nyan Cat Song. Ah, but there have been millions of viewings of that already, so how about something slightly different? Our Henry has already described dubstep for the 1% of forum members unfamiliar with the genre on this very thread, so how about a Nyan Cat Dubstep song? You want me to link you? I thought you'd never ask!

AWESOME!!! I love the original the Nyan Cat Song and this was a great adaptation.

Hey, wait... I think you just called me a Nazi! I'll have you know I shaved my mustache like this by accident.

 

[Orin]

That's kind of the disappointment. You haven't "explained" that my argument while full of words and posturing has no truth. You just stated it and left it at that. As if your judgment is final and requires no elaboration. Again, no counters to the quotes.

No secret code. It seems pretty obvious to me. Maybe hiding in plain site? Hidden behind tradition?

But none of that matters because I'm wrong. You said so.

You're asking me to disprove a few random quotes taken out of context. You're asking me to prove that your Big Foot isn't real when you haven't shown any proof that it is. It may be how you try to win arguments but it's dishonest.

As to your regurgitated misinformation on the gospels I could have qualified the few paragraphs at best with the word contradictory.

 

[Precarious]

You're asking me to disprove a few random quotes taken out of context. You're asking me to prove that your Big Foot isn't real when you haven't shown any proof that it is. It may be how you try to win arguments but it's dishonest.

As to your regurgitated misinformation on the gospels I could have qualified the few paragraphs at best with the word contradictory.

Ah, you're no fun. All judgement, no explanation. I'm just wrong and promoting lies and misinformation. Very enlightening. I wasn't asking you to disprove anything. Just thought you might have something interesting to say.

So you're saying everything I wrote, including the histories, are misinformation? Nice, I'd say I'm not the one choosing to believe in Bigfoot. Didn't realize you were one of those guys that denies even known history. Yikes...

We'll leave it at that. But do watch out if you hear a rustling in the brush when wandering in the woods.

Indisputable proof!

 

[Orin]

Ah, you're no fun. All judgement, no explanation. I'm just wrong and promoting lies and misinformation.

I offered you explanation but you assume it needs to be followed by tons of erroneous statements as in your posts. Your 'histories' are only fragments of truth just like your quotes you assemble don't say what you try to make them say. You know what you're doing so I'm not trying to convince you. You admit you have no interest in a serious discussion but later you pretend you do as part of your argument style. Is your user name related to the position of your argument style? Maybe we should change your username to last word no matter what?

 

[warpdrive]

I hope you guys don't mind me saying my piece about this thread...

here are some fun facts that I know are true:

1) today is my birthday. I'm 45 today.

2) I still don't have any new mantids yet, but soon that will change.

3) both Phil and Henry are far too smart for their own good. don't get me wrong guys, I love you both.

4) what a great post and a bunch or great replys. I learned a lot from most of you today and I'm greatful for this.

5) I'm in no way religous and much of my spirituality that I try to practice is more aimed in doing to others as I would want the world to treat me.

6) off topic talks on a mantid forum can be fun regardless if your views on such matters may be offencive to you.

7) my spelling stinks...I blame my teachers.

8) what were we talking about again? oh yeah, Ozzy rules. Black Sabbath forever (with Ozzy of course. Dio was cool, Gillion was OK too. but nothing compares to Ozzy.) ...before today I've never heared of Dubstep. you learn something new everyday I guess.

 

[Precarious]

I offered you explanation but you assume it needs to be followed by tons of erroneous statements as in your posts. Your 'histories' are only fragments of truth just like your quotes you assemble don't say what you try to make them say. You know what you're doing so I'm not trying to convince you. You admit you have no interest in a serious discussion but later you pretend you do as part of your argument style. Is your user name related to the position of your argument style? Maybe we should change your username to last word no matter what?

You are correct in that I do not want to debate belief. But that's ALL you are arguing. That's why I'm disappointed. Yes, I'm discussing my beliefs but I supply evidence supporting what I believe in the hopes that you may counter the evidence. But you can only say "I believe you are wrong, lying and dishonest". So you can't support your statements, only slander my fine character. That is the tactic of someone lost at sea, and that sea is logic and rational thinking. Conversely, I am expected to reply by stating you are childish for believing fairy tales, which I am not saying, because that would be debating belief, which is pointless name-calling.

Let me clear some things up for everyone...

I believe 100% there is intelligence behind the universe. I have zero doubt. Why? because I have directly experienced it (Gnosis) and I see supporting evidence everywhere I look.

And I can get behind nearly everything stated by the character of Jesus in the New Testament. He wanted to bring down the corrupt religions and governmental institutions around him, eliminate usury because it was known throughout the ancient world as the root of all evil for it allows parasites to prosper by the suffering and toil of others. He thought we should love one another, regardless of our beliefs, or even if we offend each other. And he told us to forgive. Look at what's going on in the world around you. Do you not think those are reasons enough for those in power to eliminate you? They (banking, government, corporations, media) control us by dividing us. They (banking, government, corporations, media) profit from our work and our misfortune.

What I don't believe is that Jesus was supporting the Old Testament god. I believe the complete opposite, and for good reason. Those he fought against represented that god. They are the ones that ended up killing him. Why? Because he spoke of a higher God, one of love and peace, the antithesis of Jehovah.

So feel free to do the mental gymnastics necessary to wrap your beliefs around that. I can assure you that will not find you TRUTH.

Christ on the Cross Between Two Thieves, by Pieter Pauwel Rubens (1619 A.D.)

Just as Jesus hung between two thieves, we are robbed of TRUTH if drawn too far from the balance of center.

PS - I am PRECARIOUS. I walk the line.

 

[Precarious]

1) today is my birthday. I'm 45 today.

2) I still don't have any new mantids yet, but soon that will change.

3) both Phil and Henry are far too smart for their own good. don't get me wrong guys, I love you both.

4) what a great post and a bunch or great replys. I learned a lot from most of you today and I'm greatful for this.

5) I'm in no way religous and much of my spirituality that I try to practice is more aimed in doing to others as I would want the world to treat me.

6) off topic talks on a mantid forum can be fun regardless if your views on such matters may be offencive to you.

7) my spelling stinks...I blame my teachers.

8) what were we talking about again? oh yeah, Ozzy rules. Black Sabbath forever (with Ozzy of course. Dio was cool, Gillion was OK too. but nothing compares to Ozzy.) ...before today I've never heared of Dubstep. you learn something new everyday I guess.

Happy burt-day!

I love Sabbath with Ozzy, but judging by the footage I've seen from Black Friday, Black Sabbath-era Dio was right - THE MOB RULES!

:angel:​

R.I.P.

​

unk: DIO unk:​

Black Sabbath - The Mob Rules

​

Close the city and tell the people

That something's coming to call

Death and darkness are rushing forward

To stamp light from the wall!

Oh! You've nothing to say

They'll drag you away!

If you listen to fools,

The mob rules, the mob rules

Kill the spirit and you'll be blinded

The end is always the same

Play with fire, you'll burn your finger

And you'll lose hold of a flame, oh!

It's over, it's done

The end is begun

If you listen to fools,

The mob rules

You've nothing to say

Oh, They're breaking away

If you listen to fools

Break the circle and stop the movement

The wheel is thrown to the ground

Just remember it might stop rolling

And take you right back around!

You're all fools!

The Mob Rules!

​

 

[Orin]

Yes, I'm discussing my beliefs but I supply evidence supporting what I believe in the hopes that you may counter the evidence. But you can only say "I believe you are wrong, lying and dishonest".

You did not supply evidence, you supplied unrelated quotes and hype about hidden gospels that don't exist in the way you portray them. I explained that you misunderstand the multiple names and of course you couldn't counter with an explanation for the many names of Jesus. I also offered you the most compelling evidence that the God of the Old Testament and New are not so different. You don't attack the substance but rather focus on a misplaced word here or there in your attack. In your quote above you made up a sentence I did not write and put it in quotes as though I said it. That is extreme dishonesty. You should apologize.

 

[lunarstorm]

I also offered you the most compelling evidence that the God of the Old Testament and New are not so different.

Where and what exactly is this compelling evidence? I missed it.

In your quote above you made up a sentence I did not write and put it in quotes as though I said it. That is extreme dishonesty. You should apologize.

Where is the error? I don't see it.

Thanks for helping me better understand your perspective Orin.

 

[Orin]

Where and what exactly is this compelling evidence? I missed it.

Where is the error? I don't see it.

Thanks for helping me better understand your perspective Orin.

No problem, for you first question read post #73. Jesus said "I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets." but Precarious was not concerned with what Jesus said but rather a perceived difference in personality and that is what was addressed.

For your second question it is not an error. He made up a fake quote and placed it in quotation marks "...", post #92.

 

[lunarstorm]

Orin, regarding the fake quote on post #92, are you referring to line that I've highlighted in bold below?

But you can only say "I believe you are wrong, lying and dishonest".

I don't see him using the quote tags to falsify your comments, so I can only guess that it's the above line. I believe he was trying to summarize the point of your posts, based on your following comments (I apologize for posting them out of context as snippets, but they should illustrate his word choice):

Am I missing something?

 

[Orin]

Orin, regarding the fake quote on post #92, are you referring to line that I've highlighted in bold below?

I don't see him using the quote tags to falsify your comments, so I can only guess that it's the above line. I believe he was trying to summarize the point of your posts, based on your following comments (I apologize for posting them out of context as snippets, but they should illustrate his word choice):

Am I missing something?

You do not have my permission to take my quotes out of context as snippets.

 

[lunarstorm]

You edited my post when I did not break the rules? That's poor form and abuse of moderating powers. You owe me an apology.