Few things about Me

[d17oug18]

i am on there friends list but i never talk to them, i am a professional who would love to accept your proposal mylo. I also have the equipment to incubate and i would gladly take pictures of every step of the way... Let me know, PM me.

 

[patrickfraser]

Hey! I was first and not on any of the lists. Maybe somebody's S...t list, but not many friends' lists.

 

[myles]

whatever, i still want my 7.50 refund from frey

 

[patrickfraser]

OH MY!

 

[Ricardo]

whatever , if theres no point i wont do it so everyone in here can go an fuuck off especially papa smurf anyway i still want my 7.50 refund from frey

Is the experiment still up? I'm rather new to the hobby and could use a few nymphs.

You'll find that Phil and friends are not on my friends list. I will be a suitable candidate

 

[patrickfraser]

I think the experiment has been cancelled from the sound of Mylo's last post.

 

[angelofdeathzz]

All you guy's really want those nymphs, don't you. Kind of sad what this post has turn into. No compassion but lot's of greed...

 

[PhilinYuma]

i am on there friends list but i never talk to them, i am a professional who would love to accept your proposal mylo. I also have the equipment to incubate and i would gladly take pictures of every step of the way... Let me know, PM me.

This is absolutely true. Not only does he not talk to me on the forum but whenever I'm in Covington and pass him on the street, he pretends not to know me, and mumbles naughty words in Spanish under his breath.

 

[patrickfraser]

Greed??? Or just wanting something free? It wouldn't really be free, as I am out $45. I don't consider it greed, but rather a consolation prize for losing my lottery with Frey. I'm out $45. WHATEV!

 

[Peter Clausen]

Yeah, made an edit up there to Mylo's thread. He's "elected" to take a week off. He was given the right to express himself. He did. Let's get back to the topic, in the forward direction. The point of leaving this thread open the last few days has been to allow the community to vent, together, on an issue. Obviously, some level of respect must be maintained.

 

[d17oug18]

This is absolutely true. Not only does he not talk to me on the forum but whenever I'm in Covington and pass him on the street, he pretends not to know me, and mumbles naughty words in Spanish under his breath.

ment no disrespect PhilinYuma, But what i put there is true. Ive messaged and replied to your posts like 3 times sense ive been on here. =) Mah bad if i hurt you.

So yeah, How about those refunds eh? =)

 

[PhilinYuma]

ment no disrespect PhilinYuma, But what i put there is true. Ive messaged and replied to your posts like 3 times sense ive been on here. =) Mah bad if i hurt you.

So yeah, How about those refunds eh? =)

None taken Doug! I thought that you were joking. I certainly was, in my elderly English way. I've never been to Covington in my life, but if I do, I'll look you up! Didn't we discuss breeding bettas. once? The old Styrofoam cup trick?

I knew that I should have used a smiley face! :lol:

 

[PhilinYuma]

Yeah, made an edit up there to Mylo's thread. He's "elected" to take a week off. He was given the right to express himself. He did. Let's get back to the topic, in the forward direction. The point of leaving this thread open the last few days has been to allow the community to vent, together, on an issue. Obviously, some level of respect must be maintained.

Good, except that this never was "Mylo's thread" even if he made nearly a third of the posts on it. It was/is Frey's thread. Someone once said to me that "it is a pity that she doesn't post on the forum". After this, I wouldn't blame her if she never does again, outside of For Sale. She knows details of breeding a number of rare species, with hatch rates, optimal temp and RH, etc. I had urged her to share this information on the forum, even though no other dealer does, and this was a "test' post, but I guess that no one, with a few notable exceptions, wants to hear. Keep on spritzing your ooths once a week guys, and when they don't hatch, blame the dealer.

 

[Peter Clausen]

I meant Mylo's "post", of course...not " Mylo's thread". To be precise, this is "our community's" thread. Frey is still an active member of the community, posting when and where she wants to and clearly able, despite language differences, to speak for herself. She has not contacted me with concerns over this thread, nor posted in it lately. She opened this discussion on a public forum with selfish intentions (selfish not meaning bad or good, but in support of her interests). The community is responding to the opportunity and the thread reflects various experiences (and selfish interests) as we should guess it would. One unexpected revelation has been the general agreement that the shipping methods could be improved. While there may be members that will refuse to do business with Frey in the future, she has many happy customers and potential, future customers. This thread is about the past, the present and the future, and it is Frey's opportunity to be right with it, while illuminating the appropriate expecations for outcomes of international shipping. We've seen some assumptions occur in this thread, some misunderstandings, and some apologies. Maybe we'll see more of the above and more yet!

 

[angelofdeathzz]

Yeah I would have to admit, Ive had some dead mantis arrive from Frey LONG ago(3 alive 15 dead) in two different shipments, but when I talked to her she made it clear that she would make it up to me, so I told her to wait till after winter passed(which is a good Idea unless you want more dead) then Myself and another member teamed up and bought way over 200 nymphs from her to get them going in the USA, We knew it was risky since she is half way around the world, but when the first Big box came and I opened it I was amazed at all the little babies made it alive 50 for 50. Then we both got another bigger shipment from her and my friend/member had a couple dead out of 50+ and I had one more death less box, I was overjoyed!

I've learned alot about Justyna in the last year and 95% is good, but I won't tell you all about that, It's personal and if she wants to share her stuff with the masses that's up to her, but I can tell you she's a busy Girl, that's not sitting by her computer 24/7 to answer you on the spot. She has improved her shipping methods as of late. The bottom line is if your nice to someone maybe you get that back, if you want to raise Helll over problems well you may just get that back. I think thats how it works even if you buy from someone down the street from you, ordering in mid winter from that far away is a big No No, if you want a better chance of survival from 1,000's of miles away use express, if not then just sit there and hope and blame yourself for sending SOME babies to their Doom. It's common sense if you ask me...

That my 2 cent's, and I'm not really defending her as much as just speaking the truth on buying overseas.

So now all the hater's can put in their 2 cent's, but I think I've said all I can say on this thread so I probably won't reply.

 

[alicenwnderlnd]

Again, I have to speak out on this subject. We are all quick to blame somebody When we really have no idea what is really going on, We have no idea of the "deal" that transpired between two people, and that should be left alone. Every person out there has a completely different set of beliefs, morals and ethics. But what should be concentrated on is how we all can help and improve a way to get nymphs or ooths safely to us. Everyone on this forum is here because they like praying mantis, some are serious breeders, some hobby breeders, some just keep a few because they are awesome insects! I personally like the hardest to get it seems. and I know there are a lot of you guys out there like me. For me this means I must find a way to get them and it probably does not include the local breeder down the street. When I ordered from Frey, I found it was Possible!!! And the Boom of idolo and orchid nymphs proves this! With out an overseas resource we would not have them! I commend Frey for this!(AND NICK for helping get those idolo's here!) I would rather work with a breeder that is willing to take the chance on such a risky shipment then condemn for the bad issues that have taken place! When I order from Frey again,(and I will) I will be sending her a box with what i want my nymphs shipped in before hand.(if she agrees of course) and then i think it will take some of the stress off of the situation. I recently had a terrible incident where i shipped an adult mantis(express even) and when it arrived to its destination it was MANGLED. less then 24 hours in the care of the US post office and it looked like it was put in a blender! My point is that bad things happen when we entrust the care to a Post office, whether it be 24 hours or 7 days, and when a person is shipping a ton, there are even more chances of bad things to happen! A little common sense goes a long way! i also have a very high mixed emotion about ooths... I do not think i will ever sell an ooth, the risks are to great even for me. A seller has no control over what is done to that ooth during critical incubation periods, but at the same time if the ooth was never fertile, the buyer can not do a thing to make it hatch. It takes a lot of trust, and until the day when a consistent standard is set, I will stick to the breeders that offer a guarantee on them and thanks to those that do! Better yet, I have learned to make my own! So, I am a firm believer in getting together with Frey (or any breeder across the seas!)and making things better, and i urge all of you to do the same, the future of a lot of species in US culture depend on it!

 

[PhilinYuma]

I meant Mylo's "post", of course...not " Mylo's thread". To be precise, this is "our community's" thread. Frey is still an active member of the community, posting when and where she wants to and clearly able, despite language differences, to speak for herself. She has not contacted me with concerns over this thread, nor posted in it lately. She opened this discussion on a public forum with selfish intentions (selfish not meaning bad or good, but in support of her interests). The community is responding to the opportunity and the thread reflects various experiences (and selfish interests) as we should guess it would. One unexpected revelation has been the general agreement that the shipping methods could be improved. While there may be members that will refuse to do business with Frey in the future, she has many happy customers and potential, future customers. This thread is about the past, the present and the future, and it is Frey's opportunity to be right with it, while illuminating the appropriate expecations for outcomes of international shipping. We've seen some assumptions occur in this thread, some misunderstandings, and some apologies. Maybe we'll see more of the above and more yet!

Well, Peter, I'm going to talk about you instead of to you.

This, folks, is how you conduct a debate, using sound rhetorical devices "I meant Mylo's post, of course" and a knowledge of yr opponent's views. As he knows, I disagree with him sharply on how much leeway members have to vent hostile opinions repetitively, and he does so "selfishly" in the sense that he uses above and with which I agree (dang!) to increase participation in what could easily become a "one post a week" forum.

Peter spends his working day saving victims from disaster or minimizing their own screw ups, so he has sharpened his natural rhetorical skills and here, follows the excellent strategy of moving immediately from my contention to address the forum at large So, I'll get you next time mate!

This is my last post on this thread. I never had much problem with those who are angry at Frey, even though some seriously over-extend their attacks. My disappointment is with those who have a good relationship with her and didn't come forward because they wanted to avoid confrontation. I urged Frey to make her post, (I had suggested that she call it "Yes, I'm a girl!") in the expectation that she would get not just criticism but plenty of support as well. As Peter says, she will get plenty of sales in the future, and I hoped to hear more from her regular customers and hear members support the fact that she is actively trying to make changes.. Alas, I was mistaken, though there are a few shining exceptions to the trend (Hi, Alice!) and shall adjust my thinking accordingly.

 

[patrickfraser]

My only wish was that Frey would at least "try" to make up for my purchase in some way, but it seems not the case then, nor now. I will have to let it go. I just hope she got something nice with the cash. I know I got absolutely nothing from it. Thanks Frey! You're a real peach.

 

[d17oug18]

Again, I have to speak out on this subject. We are all quick to blame somebody When we really have no idea what is really going on, We have no idea of the "deal" that transpired between two people, and that should be left alone. Every person out there has a completely different set of beliefs, morals and ethics. But what should be concentrated on is how we all can help and improve a way to get nymphs or ooths safely to us. Everyone on this forum is here because they like praying mantis, some are serious breeders, some hobby breeders, some just keep a few because they are awesome insects! I personally like the hardest to get it seems. A little common sense goes a long way! i also have a very high mixed emotion about ooths... I do not think i will ever sell an ooth, the risks are to great even for me. A seller has no control over what is done to that ooth during critical incubation periods, but at the same time if the ooth was never fertile, the buyer can not do a thing to make it hatch. It takes a lot of trust, and until the day when a consistent standard is set, I will stick to the breeders that offer a guarantee on them and thanks to those that do! Better yet, I have learned to make my own! So, I am a firm believer in getting together with Frey (or any breeder across the seas!)and making things better, and i urge all of you to do the same, the future of a lot of species in US culture depend on it!

This is by far, an extremely condescending paragraph that you have provided???

""I will stick to the breeders that offer a guarantee on them and thanks to those that do!""

That is all of our(unhappy customers) point! lol, that she does not guarantee anything. Yet you say you will only deal with breeders who do??? are you kidding me? you lost your point here and you seem very hypocritical and confused on what your talking about.(Rereading this makes me sound angry and mad, but im not.)

 

[What]

Just want to say...if I was going to keep mantids again I would order from Frey just for the heck of it b/c of this thread. lol.